Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

How am I wrong exactly, Dilbert? Are you suggesting that my comment was factually inaccurate?

And, fwiw, I think we've all seen what happens in the UK when they try to carry out infrastructure improvements themselves, vis-a-vis the Royal Liverpool Hospital down the road from Alder Hey which tried to fund its new extension via a Carillion PFI and now needs new funding to finish the job.

how was the high speed rail network in spain funded?
i know it has nearly bankrupted the country

Hilary is partially correct. The new hospital was built in Springfield Park which was, as I remember, a nice mature park and lake adjacent to the old hospital. The old hospital is being demolished and the park reinstated. However, the EIB only supplied, on a competitive tender basis, about 30% of the financing, so it hardly financed or built the hospital. Nor could it have done. It has enough of a problem organizing itself.

So no deal is off as far as these two are concerned https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46795406

When will someone with authority in this useless government make their mind up 😃

good job JC has no authority then for he can never ever make up his mind about anything at all

Yes it would be so straightforward if they adhered to democracy wouldn't it Stan?

democracy
[dɪ'mɒkrəsi]
■ noun (plural democracies) a form of government in which the people have a voice in the exercise of power, typically through elected representatives. ▶a state governed in such a way. ▶control of a group by the majority of its members.

If the country were to stay in the EU without a way out then what point is keeping the monarchy?

Re post 11320
Democracy is about much more than elections. By “democracy” we mean the existence of properly functioning institutions and the rule of law to protect people from all forms of discrimination and uphold their human rights – people having a say in the decisions that affect them through accountable, participative, representative and transparent political systems. Progress in this area can sometimes come quickly, even unexpectedly; but it is more often the work of decades.

Why don't you ask that question of Belgium, Denmark, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Spain and Sweden?

Belgium, Denmark, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Spain and Sweden all seem to need one so why not us?

But the real reason is we could end up with President Blair or Major or Livingstone or Hammond or ...... so lets stick with what we have now, it's good for the tourist trade.

Ditto Hils

"By “democracy” we mean "

Who are the WE?

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"so lets stick with what we have now, it's good for the tourist trade."

Membership of the EU.

You doubt that you will be able to escape from, even if you are only a second class member.
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Klingon again - Stan will know what it is meant to mean.

Yes Hils you were factually wrong. The EIB certainly didn't build the hospital and unlike you suggested it apparently only funded 30% of the reconstruction. Probably true for the other 18 you mention too.

Wonder how many we could have built over the years with the 8 billion a year we've been subsidising the EU.

And one more sheep shagger comment and I'm ringing up Anna Sourpuss in her bunker to ask for advice.

Gets called a Nazi and blames the far right. It was labours loony left you stupid cow.

M , buy Tadpole ?

:-)

Where exactly did I suggest that the EIB did build either Alder Hey or the Royal Liverpool extension, Dilbert? On Alder Hey (11304), I merely said they'd received EIB funding. And on Royal Liverpool (11314), I merely stated that it was a Carillion PFI project gone wrong.

It was your stooge who suggested otherwise, and came up with some irrelevant drivel. Seriously, you're increasingly sounding like you're running scared...

Another defeat in the Commons for Maggie Dismay just now. This is getting embarrassing...

Mayday, Mayday! Or should that be m'aider, m'aider?

:o)

Cherie,

Hold on, I'm coming.


Perhaps, I shouldn't have written that!

8-)