Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

If the country were to stay in the EU without a way out then what point is keeping the monarchy?

Re post 11320
Democracy is about much more than elections. By “democracy” we mean the existence of properly functioning institutions and the rule of law to protect people from all forms of discrimination and uphold their human rights – people having a say in the decisions that affect them through accountable, participative, representative and transparent political systems. Progress in this area can sometimes come quickly, even unexpectedly; but it is more often the work of decades.

Why don't you ask that question of Belgium, Denmark, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Spain and Sweden?

Belgium, Denmark, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Spain and Sweden all seem to need one so why not us?

But the real reason is we could end up with President Blair or Major or Livingstone or Hammond or ...... so lets stick with what we have now, it's good for the tourist trade.

Ditto Hils

"By “democracy” we mean "

Who are the WE?

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"so lets stick with what we have now, it's good for the tourist trade."

Membership of the EU.

You doubt that you will be able to escape from, even if you are only a second class member.
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Klingon again - Stan will know what it is meant to mean.

Yes Hils you were factually wrong. The EIB certainly didn't build the hospital and unlike you suggested it apparently only funded 30% of the reconstruction. Probably true for the other 18 you mention too.

Wonder how many we could have built over the years with the 8 billion a year we've been subsidising the EU.

And one more sheep shagger comment and I'm ringing up Anna Sourpuss in her bunker to ask for advice.

Gets called a Nazi and blames the far right. It was labours loony left you stupid cow.

M , buy Tadpole ?

:-)

Where exactly did I suggest that the EIB did build either Alder Hey or the Royal Liverpool extension, Dilbert? On Alder Hey (11304), I merely said they'd received EIB funding. And on Royal Liverpool (11314), I merely stated that it was a Carillion PFI project gone wrong.

It was your stooge who suggested otherwise, and came up with some irrelevant drivel. Seriously, you're increasingly sounding like you're running scared...

Another defeat in the Commons for Maggie Dismay just now. This is getting embarrassing...

Mayday, Mayday! Or should that be m'aider, m'aider?

:o)

Cherie,

Hold on, I'm coming.


Perhaps, I shouldn't have written that!

8-)

Are you outsiders still at it, what a miserable lot you are.

If tonight's vote had taken place a month ago the government would probably have lost by 100.

Yvette Cooper is usually one of the more sensible ones left in the Labour Party but this amendment is pure stupidity and at most an inconvenience if we do leave with no deal.

If anything she has helped unite most Conservatives behind the government for once.

Less than 80 days to go , remoaners are scraping the barrel now but still can't get behind one thing they can all agree on.

I see the racists lost to Spurs tonight or do we only apply the term collectively to those who voted to leave ?

Sweet dreams all , it'll soon be over.

Oh, the convenience of the edit facility.

Pity the poor EU "ambassador" to the US. He has been put at the back of the queue or should that be line? The US regards the EU as an institution, not a country. At the recent funeral of George HW Bush, he was seated last, after the head of FIFA presumably.
He might have got a clue as to why when Mike Pompeo asked in Brussels whether the EU is ensuring the interests of its member countries and their citizens are placed before the bureaucrats here? Or whether the more bureaucrats we have, the better the job gets done? Well we all know the answer to that.
Interesting how the so called socialists pooh-pooh the disgraceful levels of youth unemployment in the EU. Little wonder when they have the shining examples of the soviet era, Cuba and Venezuela to showcase how it should be done. Loonies.

Regarding the EIB, the UK, together with Italy, France and Germany, hold about 65% of the capital in the bank, in equal proportions. After Brexit, which will go ahead at the end of March despite the remainiacs throwing their toys out of the pram, the UK will be entitled to have its money returned although likely over some time. That should make up for all the scare tactics of the losers about possibly losing the facility as if that would be a disaster.

Perhaps, the future wished for by Dil and IT.