This board has been a little to quiet for while.

Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?

Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?

Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.

As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?

Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?

Behave grandad, no need to get abusive with me because you live in the midlands.....Cesspit....

No one of you is a true believer until he likes for his brother what he likes for himself

Barwoni, again you seem to be on dangerous ground.
Keep on digging.

Bawoni. please feel free to divulge a link between Al Q and Iraq pre 9-11 or at time of 9-11.

as for getting on my mat...... You obviously don't pay much attention to other peoples posts, I don't believe in A GOD. I'll leave that to narrow minded biggots like yourself, who feel it necessary to blame others for the evil that men do. There ain't no allah, jehovah, buddah,god , jesus or holy ghost.
So crawl back into your god bothering masonic haven in whatever 3'rd world hovel you call home.
;-)))))

Minister says veil teacher should be sacked Sunday October 15, 11:26 AM

LONDON (Reuters) - The minister responsible for race and faith called on Sunday for a Muslim teaching assistant suspended for wearing a veil to be sacked, entering a growing row over integration.

Minister for Local Government and Community Cohesion Phil Woolas told the Sunday Mirror that 24-year-old Aishah Azmi's decision to wear a veil while teaching made it impossible for her to perform her duties.


"She should be sacked. She has put herself in a position where she can't do her job," he said.

Death toll in Iraq is shocking, staggering
October 15, 2006 LA TIMES


Re "Study Puts War's Iraqi Death Tally at More Than 600,000," Oct. 11

I read with shock your report on the new Lancet study finding of more than 600,000 deaths since the Iraq invasion, and it motivated me to review the complete study. This was a scientific, peer-reviewed epidemiological study published in one of the world's most prestigious medical journals. The authors followed the same methodology that has been used to provide unchallenged estimates of deaths in other conflicts, such as the Congo.

It is puzzling, therefore, that the writer reports unsubstantiated challenges to the methodology. That President Bush and the purveyors of the Iraq war strive to provide a spin that denies the extent of civilian casualties is not surprising, but it has no bearing on the study's scientific validity. That the findings are inconvenient for Bush does not make them inaccurate. The administration has famously stated that it doesn't count civilian casualties.



Bush acknowledged that Iraq had nothing to do with the events of 9/11; we also must acknowledge that not one of the more than 600,000 people who have been killed in Iraq had anything to do with the 9/11 events.

The scale of needless suffering the U.S. invasion has brought on the people of Iraq defies the imagination. Is it any surprise that the vast majority of the Iraqi people want us to leave?

CURREN WARF MD

Board Member

Physicians for Social Responsibility

Los Angeles


So please Bawoni, link Iraq to any terrorist outrage against the west.
If all the preseidents men can't do it.........
Oh i'm sorry, I forgot your only interested in muslim bashing.:-)

Oh i'm sorry, I forgot your only interested in muslim bashing.:-)

extermination!

300 million strong... and growing

by J. Christoph Amberger

Sometime next week, there will be 300 million people living in the United States of America. The U.S.A. will rank third behind China and India in regards to population.

And while populations in Europe and industrialized Asia are stagnating if not already shrinking, the U.S. just keeps adding people. Between 2004 and 2005, government statisticians confirmed a natural increase (i.e., births minus deaths) of 1.7 million people and another 1 million immigrants.

This makes the United States the odd man out among industrialized nations. No other industrialized country comes even close.

An addition of 2.7 million people means that the United States absorbed the equivalent of the total population of Oman or Mongolia or Jamaica in a single year; or added the equivalent of the total population of the city of Chicago -- each and every year.

-- The effects of that immigration can bee seen anywhere you drive in the Northeast and South as well as the West Coast. I noticed it again as I drove our Boy Scout troop down to Calvert Cliffs for our weekend campout:

Roads that were distinctly rural a decade and a half ago, when this immigrant was making his first exploratory forays, had transformed into broad, smooth strips of asphalt that make the original Autobahn look like a gravel path. And they cut a swath through new residential developments, strip malls and new commercial townships that consisted of bait and liquor stores when the first Bush was in office.

Townships that put billions into developers pockets and are now pumping billions into households and tax coffers.

In this months Smithsonian magazine, Joel Garreau provides a bit of perspective what this means:

One fortuitous result (...) is that the median age here is only a little over 35, one of the lowest among the worlds more developed countries. This country also has the most productive population per person of any country on the planet -- no matter how you measure it, and especially compared with Japan and the members of the European Union. This is crucial to everyone who plans to retire, because once you do, youll want a bunch of young, hard-working, tax-paying people supporting you, whether directly, through family contributions, or indirectly, through Social Security and pension programs. Unless youre rich enough to live off your investments, there is no alternative.

Immigration to the United States is also keeping its neighbors content... or at least in a blissful state of inactivity that comes from someone else solving ones economic problems. American economist and frequent Forbes contributor Steven Hanke wrote last June:

Rather than modernize the economy, Mexicos politicos have embraced a Tito-inspired strategy: when incapable of fostering productive jobs, export the labor force. As a result, over 27 percent of Mexicos labor force is now working in the U.S. and these workers are sending home $20 billion in remittances. That equals one third of the total wage earnings in the formal sector of the Mexican economy and 10 percent of Mexicos exports.

When thinking about the state of the U.S. economy, these are factors that somehow never make it into the general awareness of the mass media: The U.S. economy not only is strong enough to have almost full employment of its population, it also carries over a fourth of the total labor market of its neighbors. Add in the outsourced jobs -- all the Indian telemarketers and Chinese laborers -- that depend on American orders and you get a more accurate picture of Americas role as the engine of global economic growth.

Pakistan replaces banned duo
Tue 17 Oct, 8:13 AM


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JAIPUR, India (Reuters) - The International Cricket Council (ICC) has allowed Pakistan to replace fast bowlers Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Asif, who were withdrawn on Monday from the Champions Trophy following positive drugs tests.

All rounder Yasir Arafat and left-arm spinner Abdul Rehman have been cleared to join the squad in India, the ICC said in a statement on Tuesday.

Pakistan have been reduced to 12 players for Tuesday's opening Group A fixture against Sri Lanka in Jaipur after Shoaib and Asif tested positive for the banned steroid nandrolone.

Pakistan also replaced skipper Inzamam-ul-Haq before the tournament with fellow batsman Faisal Iqbal.

Inzamam was banned for four one-dayers last month for bringing the game into disrepute after his team forfeited the Oval test in August following a ball-tampering row.
Cheats!

Tuesday October 17, 08:34 AM

Social division might split humans into two sub-species 100,000 years from now, an evolution expert has claimed. The descendants of the genetic upper class would be tall, slim, healthy, attractive, intelligent, and creative. They would be a far cry from the "underclass" humans, who will have evolved into dim-witted, ugly, squat goblin-like creatures.

The forecast was made by Dr Oliver Curry, who spent two months investigating the ascent and descent of man over the next 100 millennia.

He

said, within a thousand years, humans will evolve into coffee-coloured giants between 6 and 7ft tall.

But Dr Curry said centuries of sexual selection - being choosy about one's partner - was likely to create more and more genetic inequality.

The logical outcome would be two sub-species, "gracile" and "robust" humans.

Dr Curry said: "Things could get ugly, with the possible emergence of genetic 'haves' and `have-nots'."

Other predictions included:

:: Physical appearance, driven by indicators of health, youth and fertility, will improve.

:: Men will exhibit symmetrical facial features, look athletic, and have squarer jaws, deeper voices and bigger penises.

:: Women will develop lighter skin, large clear eyes, pert breasts, glossy hair, even features and smooth hairless skin.

:: Racial differences will be ironed out by interbreeding, producing a uniform race of coffee-coloured people.

:: Improved nutrition and medical science will see people growing taller and fitter, while life-spans are extended to 120 years.

Tweetie/Fred gobliners

The above hypothesis is the vision of the future in H G Wells' "The Time Machine" The two species of humans that evolve are the Eloi (gracile) and the Morlocks (robust) -- who live by cannibalising the Eloi.

H G wells wrote the book in 1895. Nothing new here, folks.

Ba, the thought of a subspecies like you living to 120 is horrendous!

Off topic to all atheists on this BB.

(study of Blair's human character and nature is getting less educational ...)

If you are an atheists, do you think you have free will ?

Quiet, I will be seven feet tall :-)

A quick mention of Peter Mandelson by David Blunkett in his diary makes me wonder perhaps PM is the REAL instigator behind some of Blair's policies and actions.

"
There are king makers.
There are king shapers.
And there are those who sell new clothes to the king.
"

It will be very interesting to know who is now trying to quietly befriend and get close to David Cameron and Menzies Campbell ...

AXDPC, I know I have a free will because I believe so. So I am told. 8-)








My kids are looking for it!

Fred, LOLLL.

Risking taking your thread further off-topic, but could what we perceive as free-will rmerely the outcome of deterministic outcome from natural laws of physics and chemistry ... ?

(Not a trick question. It is one of my current ponderings seeking other people's opinions)

Back on topic ...


12 Oct 2006

The head of the British Army said the presence of UK armed forces in Iraq "exacerbates the security problems". In an interview in the Daily Mail, Sir Richard Dannatt (RD), Chief of the General Staff, is quoted as saying the British should "get out some time soon".
...


13 Oct 2006

Army chief defends Iraq comments.

Blair gives backing to army chief.
"I've read his transcript of his interview on the radio this morning, and I agree with every word of it."


14-15 Oct 2006

Criticisms of RD from senior government ministers ...


16 Oct 2006

Des Brown statement supporting RD (presumable against criticisms over the weekend)


17 Oct 2006

Blairs says "No walking away from Iraq "



"I agree with every word of it." ... LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

(poor Blair)

Could Dr. Oliver Curry be a conspiracist wearing cloaks of scientific hypothesis and
H.G. Wells another conspiracist hiding under the covers of fiction? :-))

During the height of Israel-Lebanon conflict a few month ago, there were two marches in London. The first march was in support of Lebanon, countered soon after by a march for Israel. From what I've read, the marchers for Lebanon were not concerned about possible injury to British Jews in Israel, nor are the marchers for Israel cared much about the suffering of British Arabs in Lebanon. IMHO, Behind and beneath all the slogans and shoutings there are probably more interest in killing than saving.

! ? :-(

BTW, what I've read is certainly not complete and even if I have read all the reports written from first hand observations, I will still not be certain I have a full and truthful knowledge.

60 US troops killed already this month , looking like Vietnam

politicians should be sent - the b*st*rds