Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

well posted IT and well noted .... many thanks

Be careful Manuel.

THEY are after you and your wallet!

Cyners,

The extremists have already wreaked havoc. Cameron called a referendum that he thought he'd win, rememember?

Now somebody's got the tricky job of keeping the UK within the EU without fanning the flames further, and breeding further discontent.

cameron got himself rather forced into a corner if i remember correctly

that the campaign was probably poorly managed and of course corbyn's supposed support of remain was lukewarm at best, all contributed

He saw it as a way to stop Conservative votes bleeding to UKIP, and to unite a disjointed Conservative party. He was complacent after narrowly keeping Scotland in the UK, but hadn't reckoned on Dominic Cummings' smart Vote Leave campaign management in a digital age which was highly targeted towards the right demographic.

that doesn't exactly make cameron an extremist, but no matter though that may not be quite what you meant - eg he arguably opened the door for them

Now somebody's got the tricky job of keeping the UK within the EU without fanning the flames further, and breeding further discontent.

Thereby thwarting the biggest democratic result in the history of the country, while having the tricky job of convincing 17.4M people that they are extremists and those that refuse to accept the result are moderates trying to avoid discontent. They are even prepared to have a second referendum based on staying in the EU or accepting May's deal - both mean staying in the EU of course.
Any more shenanigans by the likes of Grieve and co and the government should remove the whip from the the lot of them and dissolve parliament by declaring an election for April 4. Two can play at their game.

I didn't suggest that Cameron was the extremist. The extremists were already there in the form of Farage, Carswell, etc - simply that he saw the referendum as a way of getting rid of the extremists and re-uniting the Conservative party.

what a relief to have some sensible exchanges on here for a change - many thanks

It , I've wondered why that has never been mentioned as a threat. All very well Corby wanting a general election to sort this out but not much good if they have it after the 29th.

Iturama,

I read about that suggestion last week, but it comes from a minority of Brextremists who lost their voice when their leadership challenge failed last month.

She needs 2/3 of the House to consent before calling an election under the terms of the Fixed Term Parliament Act. Whilst Corbyn might want an election himself, the majority of MPs certainly don't want to leave the EU without a deal, so it's anybody's guess what would happen if she tried puling that stunt. Further, there's a serious risk she'd lose a general election.

But also, the cynical side of my nature suggests she'll be quite happy to extend Article 50, and attempt to exonerate herself in so doing by blaming Parliament for impasse. Then, once Article 50 has been extended once, it'll be easy to extend it again. And before you know it, it'll be revoked completely. No more referendums - just Brexit RIP.

why would you not agree that it is indeed parliament, or more specifically, certain MP's with their own personal agendas that have caused the impasse?

So what happens if she loses a no confidence vote Hils ?

I believe Corbyn then gets an opportunity to form a minority government, Dil. If he can't do that, then a general election. But not first without either extending or revoking completely Article 50.

But, I think that's slightly academic as I'm not convinced he'd win a vote of no confidence in the Government.

Cyners,

All politicians need to be able to blame somebody or something other than themselves for their own failings. If they can't do that, they tend not to have careers in politics that last very long.

Dil the Informed referendum? will you be voting in or out this time? P.11462.

11477.

Hilary, so you reckon Corbyn would bottle it if she called for a GE? I thought that's what they all wanted on the clown's side of the house. She could also go for a vote of no confidence with the backing of her own. Would Corbyn bottle that? Either way, the tory scabs have reneged on the manifesto pledge to exit the single market and customs union and should have the whip removed. Let them fight the next election as independents on their own coin.

I don't think Corbyn would bottle it, Iturama, but Parliament is dissolved 25 working days (ie 5 weeks normally) before the general election takes place. So please tell me how a general election in April would help.

Best thing is a GE called by TM and be blunt and say as the MP`s are trying to out vote the public - as they will not back my deal - I am seeking public support for No Deal - A Clean Break, and JC would wet himself with fear of being out for good.

All we hear is the political situation with who will be the next PM....what the country needs is somebody that can take Brexit by the scruff of the neck and deliver what has been promised to the british public.....frankly TM is making a mess of this and I cannot see JC doing any better at all...all he is bothered about is becoming the next PM...god help us all if that happens.....we should never have had a remainer seeing to an exit from the mess that the EU is.....