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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Fred1new - 16 Jan 2019 11:46 - 11592 of 12628

I can't see the loopholes.

Personally, and for my grandchildren's sake would prefer to remain in the EU and negotiate with mutual respect on both sides when drawing up rules, regulations, contracts and laws.

(SENSIBLE NEGOTIATION FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL.)

For all its faults more countries wish to join the EU rather than leave.

I thought sanity was defined by the majority rather than a small minority.

2517GEORGE - 16 Jan 2019 11:52 - 11593 of 12628

From Fred's post

''I thought sanity was defined by the majority rather than a small minority.''

Unless it doesn't suit eh! Hypocrite

Martini - 16 Jan 2019 11:54 - 11594 of 12628

Of course they do when the big countries are willing to write blank cheques for them. Yes sanity was defined be the majority in the referendum but did you accept that ? Selective use of metaphors as usual.

Stan - 16 Jan 2019 12:02 - 11595 of 12628

P 11578 George well have you?

Fred1new - 16 Jan 2019 12:51 - 11596 of 12628

Why are you so frightened to have an informed referendum?

If you are right the result should endorse your position.

Democracy gives the right to the electorate to change its mind.

T Maybe had an election after a year as PM. to "confirm her position" No real difference between that and an Informed Referendum.

hilary - 16 Jan 2019 13:01 - 11597 of 12628

Dil,

Yesterday's photos please!

:o)

But seriously, there is no such a thing as a 'managed no deal' and preparations for a no deal extend far beyond parking up a few lorries on a disused airfield and inviting the press along, however, once the first extension of Article 50 is obtained, a second one and/or subsequent revocation will be easy. It's just that nobody (least of all, either May or Corbyn) wants to be seen as the person who halted Brexit without having somebody else to blame - it's career suicide. These things are so much easier with cross-party support.

Clocktower - 16 Jan 2019 13:58 - 11598 of 12628

TM doing very well today and putting up a good fight that suggests that she is willing to run the clock down and give the people what they wanted. i.e. a Clean Break from the EU rather than give in to those that want the EU to rule over the British.

Stan - 16 Jan 2019 14:19 - 11599 of 12628

Do keep up C/T.

Martini - 16 Jan 2019 14:42 - 11600 of 12628

Why are you so frightened to have an informed referendum?

I am not, I just want it on the same terms as you ie If I donโ€™t like the outcome I can ignore the result and demand another one.

Fred1new - 16 Jan 2019 14:45 - 11601 of 12628

Cash, LRM, Redwood etc. Have been ignoring previous decisions (or Change of minds) for 50 years.

Martini - 16 Jan 2019 14:47 - 11602 of 12628

So you put yourself in their camp O pompous one

Fred1new - 16 Jan 2019 14:49 - 11603 of 12628

With you in their camp wouldn't be any room.

Though I suppose really you are just a camp follower.

Stan - 16 Jan 2019 15:13 - 11604 of 12628

Poor old M he's so unhappy these days ๐Ÿ˜ฅ๐Ÿ˜€

Dil - 16 Jan 2019 15:51 - 11605 of 12628

Fred , why the hell should any of us care what you want for your grand children's future when you yourself care so little you couldn't be arsed to vote ???

Hils , even the French came out a couple of days ago and said the trucks will keep on rolling whatever the outcome of Brexit.

Dil - 16 Jan 2019 15:55 - 11606 of 12628

When is Corby going to get off the fence Fred ?

No one knows what the hell he wants or how he plans on getting it.

hilary - 16 Jan 2019 15:58 - 11607 of 12628

What Jean-Marc Puissesseau said, Dil, was that there wouldn't be a problem in Calais. He couldn't speak for Dover, which is where the checks on goods entering the UK will be carried out.

Meanwhile, this morning's chart has changed...

cynic - 16 Jan 2019 16:00 - 11608 of 12628

with all due respect hils, your chart is pretty irrelevant
it's what happens next that will be more interesting, and of course the answer to that is that no one knows

hilary - 16 Jan 2019 16:01 - 11609 of 12628

Meanwhile, with Corbyn's continued failure to nail his colours to the mast, you're not seeing much change here...

Dil - 16 Jan 2019 16:03 - 11610 of 12628

Looks similar to the chart on would we vote to leave in the referendum and we all know how that ended.

hilary - 16 Jan 2019 16:04 - 11611 of 12628

With all due respect, Cyners, that chart is almighty important if you want to make any serious money from these shennanigans!!!
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