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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

cynic - 21 Jan 2019 16:38 - 11759 of 12628

the only really useful thing on MAM is the charts which are very easy to use
i guess this old dinosaur will have to learn how to use (and post) those on advfn

cynic - 21 Jan 2019 16:41 - 11760 of 12628

so switzerland will let in any old ragtag immigrant without a murmur?
if so, i bet the local residents where said immigrants rock up must welcome them with open arms

and what is the definition of "financially independent" and also what then happens after 5 years?

hilary - 21 Jan 2019 17:03 - 11761 of 12628

Switzerland does have an immigration problem, Cyners. It's become a halfway-house for those looking to get into Germany. It's a bit cold for them up in the hills though, so not a problem here.

After 5 years, you go from the B to the C permit which provides permanent residency. Financially independent means having comprehensive insurance and enough money in the bank not to be a burden on the state. What did you think it meant?

:o)

Haystack - 21 Jan 2019 17:07 - 11762 of 12628

Does Switzerland have a similar benefits to ours?

cynic - 21 Jan 2019 17:08 - 11763 of 12628

ah so switzerland does not exactly welcome immigrants

"financially independent" is determined however that country chooses, whether switzerland or even the channel islands

Fred1new - 21 Jan 2019 17:12 - 11764 of 12628

Manuel.

They will have a special patrol on their border waiting to receive you when you flee from Little England.

hilary - 21 Jan 2019 17:18 - 11765 of 12628

The skiing's certainly better, Haystack. That's a massive benefit as far as I'm concerned.

:o)

cynic - 21 Jan 2019 17:26 - 11766 of 12628

i confess i absolutely would not want to live in switzerland
for me, it's just too sterile, and in some ways even worse than the channel islands

if the french tax regime was not so penal, then that might technically have appeal

Stan - 21 Jan 2019 17:44 - 11767 of 12628

You could always go the Silly Isles Alf.

cynic - 21 Jan 2019 17:45 - 11768 of 12628

they are not a tax haven :-)

Stan - 21 Jan 2019 17:49 - 11769 of 12628

Nor is this Country well not for us.

Fred1new - 21 Jan 2019 17:49 - 11770 of 12628

Manuel,

Do you pay tax?

I thought you were a descendant of old ragtag immigrants.

Dil - 22 Jan 2019 08:47 - 11771 of 12628

How the hell will I know how Brexit ends up with MAM pulling the plug on us on the 21st Feb.

I rely on Fred to keep me informed :-)

MaxK - 22 Jan 2019 08:50 - 11772 of 12628

Jeremy Corbyn backs MPs' plan to force a second Brexit referendum



By Gordon Rayner, Political Editor and
Steven Swinford, Deputy Political Editor
22 January 2019 • 8:00am



Jeremy Corbyn has endorsed a plan to force a second EU referendum as he bowed to pressure from Labour party members and MPs.

Mr Corbyn wants the Government to give MPs the final say next week on a second referendum. If a majority back a referendum, Parliament could force Theresa May to hold a new in/out public vote that could lead to Brexit being reversed.

Supporters of the so-called “People’s Vote” were jubilant tonight, describing Labour’s new policy as a “momentous” move that brought a referendum a “massive” step closer.

It came after Mrs May warned MPs that a fresh referendum would “damage social cohesion” because it would “undermine faith in democracy”.




More: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/01/21/jeremy-corbyn-backs-mps-plan-force-second-brexit-referendum/

Dil - 22 Jan 2019 08:55 - 11773 of 12628

Well the splinters in his arse from sitting on the fence so long finally got to him.

Should have Abbott back on QT , she said there definitely wouldn't be one and told people to be careful what they wished for as Leave would win again if there was one.

Can't wait for her spin on that.

Stan - 22 Jan 2019 09:10 - 11774 of 12628

Behave yourself Dil or you won't be invited to join the new site site -):

Dil - 22 Jan 2019 09:18 - 11775 of 12628

As if I need an invite from the likes of you Stan :-)

I've applied for the job of moderator.

iturama - 22 Jan 2019 09:21 - 11776 of 12628

Fred should appeal to the ECJ. He will suffer PTSD if he can't post his cartoons.

Clocktower - 22 Jan 2019 09:22 - 11777 of 12628

Labour voters waking up to the fact that JC is willing to shaft them at any price to try to grab power, and ditching his own long held beliefs about the European Union. Grubby little squirt that he is when it comes to the truth and integrity.

As for Abbott she will now be back peddling trying to put another spin on her words.

Dil - 22 Jan 2019 09:23 - 11778 of 12628

He won't be posting anything if I get the job :-)

The jobs already taken Dil.
Regards
Dominic Simpson
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