Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Manuel,

Do you pay tax?

I thought you were a descendant of old ragtag immigrants.

How the hell will I know how Brexit ends up with MAM pulling the plug on us on the 21st Feb.

I rely on Fred to keep me informed :-)

Jeremy Corbyn backs MPs' plan to force a second Brexit referendum



By Gordon Rayner, Political Editor and
Steven Swinford, Deputy Political Editor
22 January 2019 • 8:00am



Jeremy Corbyn has endorsed a plan to force a second EU referendum as he bowed to pressure from Labour party members and MPs.

Mr Corbyn wants the Government to give MPs the final say next week on a second referendum. If a majority back a referendum, Parliament could force Theresa May to hold a new in/out public vote that could lead to Brexit being reversed.

Supporters of the so-called “People’s Vote” were jubilant tonight, describing Labour’s new policy as a “momentous” move that brought a referendum a “massive” step closer.

It came after Mrs May warned MPs that a fresh referendum would “damage social cohesion” because it would “undermine faith in democracy”.




More: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/01/21/jeremy-corbyn-backs-mps-plan-force-second-brexit-referendum/

Well the splinters in his arse from sitting on the fence so long finally got to him.

Should have Abbott back on QT , she said there definitely wouldn't be one and told people to be careful what they wished for as Leave would win again if there was one.

Can't wait for her spin on that.

Behave yourself Dil or you won't be invited to join the new site site -):

As if I need an invite from the likes of you Stan :-)

I've applied for the job of moderator.

Fred should appeal to the ECJ. He will suffer PTSD if he can't post his cartoons.

Labour voters waking up to the fact that JC is willing to shaft them at any price to try to grab power, and ditching his own long held beliefs about the European Union. Grubby little squirt that he is when it comes to the truth and integrity.

As for Abbott she will now be back peddling trying to put another spin on her words.

He won't be posting anything if I get the job :-)

The jobs already taken Dil.
Regards
Dominic Simpson

a scathing comment in today's FT .....

It is Britain’s misfortune that at its time of need it has been blessed with two of the most inflexible, small-minded, partisan and inept figures ever to assume the mantle of leadership in the nation’s two major parties. The UK has had bad party leaders before, but until now it has been clever enough not to have them at the same time.

Just goes to show that FT should stick to what it does best.

Ha ha very funny Dominic , I know it's you Mike cos Martini don't get up til 12 :-)

It got it right about crazy Corbyn though

Dil,

Moderator and gammon shouldn't be used in the same sentence.

:o)

And I didn't even mention the 's-word'.

:o)

H/S as predictable as ever.

Yawn

Yawn indeed.

Corbyn has managed to get splinters on his ass again from his favourite fence. He has tabled an amendment that is so general that it can be altered into whatever his view might be on a given day.

Isn't it about time our MPs got on with running the country, instead of scoring points? The last 2+Years has shown (to me) that the country can mange itself without MP ( since they were continuously involved in Brexit - even taking trips to Brussels in effect undermining our PM ).
I wonder that the arrangement of our Parliamentary system hasn't been exposed? For the amount of work achieved ( and we still have Housing shortages, Food banks, Bankers going unpunished, etc.)..... a different system should be formed?

Whilst allowing regular folks to VOTE like they do for TV Shows, might be a Big Mistake; some form of regional voting might work - and would stop MPs being able to do whatever suits them ( and their political careers) - since the many persons giving regional votes would be independent - although they might have been traditional voters for a given party - en masse these loyalties "should" cancel.
In effect these folks would be like passengers on the "Clapham Omnibus" ( multiplied by many regions )..... so we might achieve 1million potential.
The big Q is should they give a yes/no answer? -OR- should each Q be divided along a scale of 11 (say), such that no. 11 is none of the above. With 1-10 being variations, with 5 being the MP's preferred answer.
-No doubt you can think of other models-
As a result, - the number of MP can be savaged - one per county being about right - as this would encourage them to work harder - knowing there were maybe 1000 poll-voters to check on their position along the above Scale. We've about 600 MP which could be reduced to 60 easily and this might stop the calling/crowing that is prevalent at presently on show. It's almost TV-Sport already.

ANYONE?