Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Lol skinny.

Wtf are we all going to do for entertainment after the 20th Feb ?

“Haystack Send an email to Haystack View Haystack's profile - 23 Jan 2019 15:30 - 11847 of 11852

What 2nd referendum?”

We are not having a 2nd Referendum but the “1st Informed” Referendum, as someone who has been reading but posting over the last 18 months you will already have read that...please keep up.

Exactly, we have had the one and only referendum and now we are leaving.

Yeah stick it in your diary Haystack , June 2065.

Haha

Correction H/S all we had was an “Uniformed referendum” which is no good to man or beast.

Stan [Send an email to Stan] [View Stan's profile] - 23 Jan 2019 14:30 - 11826 of 11857

What on earth are you talking about KA, your getting as bad as George.

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Is Europe perfect? Answer, no.

Is the EU Europe? Answer, no.

Is the UK in Europe? Answer, yes.

Cheers,
KidA

I thought they looked quite smart.

Yes I think you probably do.

If you want to look smart you have to be in uniform, right Stan?

Stan. You are partly right. It was an advisory referendum but parliament took the advice then voted overwhelmingly to exercise article 50. It was 498 to 114 in favour and that vote is not advisory but enshrines leaving in law.

Does that mean if Russia declares war on Britain to-night, the government can't suspend Brexit until the "war" is over?

Funny how rules pan out!

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However, where there is a will there is usually a way.

An interesting and important development today. An EU spokesman said this morning that there would be a hard border in Ireland in the event of no deal. Then Ireland responded to say there would never be a hard border.

Michel Barnier then contracted the EU spokesman this afternoon and said there would be no hard border but maybe a technology solution or an alternative.

Of course, the response of the leavers is, why can you have this solution with no deal but not with a deal.

That's not exactly how Bloomberg are reporting it...

Barnier Lays Out Hard Border Issue (4:50 p.m.)

In Brussels, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, Michel Barnier, has been talking about Ireland -- amid controversy over remarks on Tuesday from a European Commission spokesperson that there will be a hard border on the island if the U.K. leaves the bloc without a deal.

While he used his speech to say the border would remain the U.K.’s responsibility, he didn’t conceal the problem. He underlined the importance of having checks at all of the EU’s external frontiers -- which the Irish border will become -- in order to guard against the infiltration into the bloc’s single market of sub-standard goods or unsafe food. That’s the Irish government’s dilemma in a nutshell.

The so-called backstop, enshrined in the Brexit deal, is intended to prevent controls at the Irish border unless or until a better arrangement is found, and Barnier showed no sign that the EU is willing to remove it to placate British lawmakers. He fell back on his well-rehearsed argument that the EU doesn’t ever want to use it.

Elsewhere...

Attempt to Block the Brexit Delay Plan Fails (3.45 p.m.)

An attempt by pro-Brexit MPs to deny time to the Cooper-Boles bill, which would delay Britain’s departure (see 11.30 a.m.) has failed. The government didn’t move the business motion that the euro-skeptics were trying to amend, meaning the amendment didn’t get voted on.

Germany Wouldn’t Mind Extension (3:30 p.m.)

German Economy Minister Peter Altmaier confirms in public what officials have said in private: Germany would be comfortable with an extension of the exit day deadline.

“If the U.K. would need more time to clarify its position, I would not mind,” Altmaier told a panel in Davos.

He’s taken a slightly softer line than some other countries, which have argued that an extension would only be acceptable if there’s a clear new plan on the table. (1 p.m.)

"2517GEORGE Send an email to 2517GEORGE View 2517GEORGE's profile - 23 Jan 2019 16:28 - 11862 of 11867

If you want to look smart you have to be in uniform, right Stan?"

if that's what rocks your boat George.

Rees-Mogg suggesting that the government should prorogue parliament in the even that the Cooper/Boles amendment goes forward. All current Bills would be lost. Proroguing last three days before the next session and new Queen's speech

I can't help feeling that Rees-Mogg reminds me of Rudolf Hess…..all good intentions apparently,... but for which camp ?....