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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

cynic - 09 Mar 2016 15:00 - 121 of 12628

you won't even know it then
many of the consequences cannot even be determined with any certainty

dreamcatcher - 09 Mar 2016 15:24 - 122 of 12628

The palace has lodged a complaint about the Sun article.

jimmy b - 09 Mar 2016 17:44 - 123 of 12628

Do i sense from Queen Stan's previous posts he's an outer ?

Why don't you just come out Stan ,or maybe i should rephrase that , why don't you just tell ,in or out ,or are you not going to have an opinion on this either .

dreamcatcher - 09 Mar 2016 18:01 - 124 of 12628

jimmy b - 09 Mar 2016 19:06 - 125 of 12628

jimmy b - 09 Mar 2016 19:06 - 126 of 12628

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jimmy b - 09 Mar 2016 19:11 - 127 of 12628

Sorry about that one i messed up ,i'm trying to learn Swahili .

Stan - 09 Mar 2016 20:44 - 128 of 12628

P123. As is becoming quite common these days JB your inability to sense very much at all is getting rather embarrassing.

jimmy b - 10 Mar 2016 07:56 - 129 of 12628

Do we have to sense or guess then Stan ,just admit you don't ever actually have an opinion .

In or out Stan ?

Stan - 10 Mar 2016 08:43 - 130 of 12628

I refere you to P128.

dreamcatcher - 10 Mar 2016 08:45 - 131 of 12628

Stan is out, from my reading. :-))

Stan - 10 Mar 2016 08:46 - 132 of 12628

Didn't know you "could" read D/C -):

MaxK - 10 Mar 2016 08:50 - 133 of 12628

Re: the Sun story with Brenda and Cleggy:

Sun editor on the wireless this morning saying they got the story via two separate sources, and the watchdog can go whistle dixey.

Stan - 10 Mar 2016 08:51 - 134 of 12628

By the way D/C Queenykins tells me this morning that she's is not amused.

jimmy b - 10 Mar 2016 09:06 - 135 of 12628

jimmy b - 10 Mar 2016 09:07 - 136 of 12628

MaxK - 10 Mar 2016 09:13 - 137 of 12628

Good one jimmy :-)

cynic - 10 Mar 2016 16:30 - 138 of 12628

much interesting happening today, and it's not linked to something the queen may have said in private some 5 years ago, and which protocol demands is never made public .....

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further attempted stimulus of eurozone
following MD's speech, the markets got out the champagne and then realised it was sour lager

MD's actions highlighted not only the dire state of the eurozone economies, but indirectly, also those worldwide

reverting to the referendum conundrum .....
leaving aside the worldwide political and economic turmoil that is a written in the event of an "out" vote, the question is then whether or not uk would be in a stronger or weaker negotiating position vis a vis the eurozone

personally (unlike stan i'm happy to give a view!), i'm not sure but it could certainly take 2/3 years and more before anything is ironed out, even where all parties actually want a resolution

much more importantly (imo), i think that if uk leaves, there will be huge pressure on eu parliament to reform drastically if the eurozone is not to implode

major reform is of course what uk has always wanted, but while inside, it really is a herculean task as there is no overall will do so

unfortunately, leaving makes uk something of a sacrificial lamb, but that may be a necessary price

grannyboy - 10 Mar 2016 16:33 - 139 of 12628

Not heard the remain brigade commenting on the strengthening of the pound over the last couple of days...But that would'nt fit their agenda.

jimmy b - 10 Mar 2016 16:33 - 140 of 12628

Sacrificial lamb ? i think it may be the other way round a couple of years down the road .
I think it will be Europe in trouble.They had their chance but didn't want to reform ,the EEC was not what the EU is today.
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