Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Dil,

With the 'other half' of your money, you get access to a massive market right on your doorstep. It's a very small price to pay given the rewards.

Why don't you ask the City of London which, incidentally, generates 13% of UK GDP how they feel about having one of their arms cut off?

And anybody who thinks they're going to be better off as a result of leaving the EU has got rocks in their head. If there is any financial saving, it's not going to go into local communities, it's not going to go into the NHS, and you're certainly not going to pay any less tax.

Nobody in the UK is going to be any better off as a result of leaving the EU, but there are an awful lot who are going to be financially worse off. And given that Brexit is supposedly all about immigration, that's not even going to change post-Brexit as the UK needs migrants. Freedom of movement isn't a human right, it's one of the greatest gifts a person can receive, and you want to surrender it??

Hilary,

It is OK Dil and Theresa have another idea to present to Europe.

Hooray!

especially into switzerland provided you have significant personal wealth and won't wear hats that upset your neighbours

or,

Hils , with the rest of our money we get exactly the same as the other 27 members get which the overwhelming majority are being subsidised to get.

Wow , what a bargain.

Hey Dil, Talking of money recieved how about getting it this way..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-41880024/paradise-papers-lord-ashcroft-hides-from-trust-question

The last refuge of an off shore tax avoider, evader?...apparently he spent quiet a while in there before being coaxed out.

Good grief Hilary I had not realised that post Brexit I will no longer be able to visit any EU country. I think I had better think it out again.

I’m reviewing the situation as I type..

Unfortunately Martini, you will be able to visit other EU countries (only for periods of up to 90 days)!

However, the airline you use will have probably had to reorganise their share structure so that they have over 50% EU shareholders (applies to IAG, EasyJet and Ryanair). Or if you drive, you'll need an IDP and be subject to increased checks. That's aside from the 3 yearly permit you'll need to buy in future once they get the system in place. And of course, your EHIC card will no longer work.

So a bit like visiting the other 167 countries in the world.

How will I get by?

Well the 1.2 million Brits who want to live and work in other EU countries aren't looking at it in that way, nor are the 1.3 million Eurpopeans who live and work in the UK, nor are the drivers of the 10k lorries that pass through Dover each day, but hey, as long as you're OK, then it's all good.

An interesting appraisal of possible coming events.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/03/tories-should-heed-oliver-letwin-wont-be-forgiven-no-deal-brexit

The Tories should heed Oliver Letwin. They won’t be forgiven a no-deal Brexit
Andrew Rawnsley

Another appraisal.

But Dil and Martini should give it a miss!

A parliament in paralysis. No leadership. Ask the people

http://guardian.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/viewer.aspx

A group of disaffected Labour MPs is preparing to quit the party and form a breakaway movement on the political centre ground amid growing discontent with Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership on Brexit and other key issues including immigration, foreign policy and antisemitism.

The Observer has been told by multiple sources that at least six MPs have been drawing up plans to resign the whip and leave the party soon. There have also been discussions involving senior figures about a potentially far larger group splitting off at some point after Brexit, if Corbyn fails to do everything possible to oppose Theresa May’s plans for taking the UK out of the EU.

Hillary
And I have to stay in the EU so you and a small % of the UK want to join you? But hey, as long as you’re Ok then, it’s all good.

George.

6!

How many tories MPs voted against Theresa about a week ago?

Perspective dear boy, perspective!

You should get a job with project fear Hils.

Talks are already well under way with individual countries to come for reciprocal agreements to replace EHIC but I'm sure you knew that anyway.

Labour party as split as the Tories and the country generally, which you would expect looking at the referendum result

I would hope for a remain vote!


8-)

Thanks for that French Link Fred - I have done the Motor Home, Camp Site trips in France. I would also recommend it to anyone, as it is a great way to enjoy company from all walks of life.

As for my vines, the most I am likely to produce is a couple of dozen bottles. When I say tastes vile I mean the wine tastes more like a cooking wine than a drinking one.

Still, the UK is producing some good wines these days, so that is one thing we can avoid buying from the EU as we still drink huge amounts from WTO areas.

Leaving the EU is a bit like leaving MAM at the end of Feb, as it ceases to supply the services some of us require. I have signed up for the 3 month deal, which is also a bit like Article 51 in some respects.

Martini,

No, you don't have to stay in the EU to enjoy freedom of movement. The two aren't necessarily synonymous.

Also, the expats, airline operators and road hauliers represent just the tip of the iceberg in terms of numbers affected by a loss of freedom of movement. Certainly, they'll be the most adversely affected, but Europe remains the number one holiday destination for Brits, and there will be millions of people affected in ways that they never considered when they voted in the referendum.

The point I'm trying to make is that a loss of freedom of movement will adversely affect millions of Brits, yet nobody has ever told me what is wrong with being able to enjoy it, or what it actually costs to enjoy it. It's one of Maggie Dismay's notorious red lines, but why?