Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

So a bit like visiting the other 167 countries in the world.

How will I get by?

Well the 1.2 million Brits who want to live and work in other EU countries aren't looking at it in that way, nor are the 1.3 million Eurpopeans who live and work in the UK, nor are the drivers of the 10k lorries that pass through Dover each day, but hey, as long as you're OK, then it's all good.

An interesting appraisal of possible coming events.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/03/tories-should-heed-oliver-letwin-wont-be-forgiven-no-deal-brexit

The Tories should heed Oliver Letwin. They won’t be forgiven a no-deal Brexit
Andrew Rawnsley

Another appraisal.

But Dil and Martini should give it a miss!

A parliament in paralysis. No leadership. Ask the people

http://guardian.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/viewer.aspx

A group of disaffected Labour MPs is preparing to quit the party and form a breakaway movement on the political centre ground amid growing discontent with Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership on Brexit and other key issues including immigration, foreign policy and antisemitism.

The Observer has been told by multiple sources that at least six MPs have been drawing up plans to resign the whip and leave the party soon. There have also been discussions involving senior figures about a potentially far larger group splitting off at some point after Brexit, if Corbyn fails to do everything possible to oppose Theresa May’s plans for taking the UK out of the EU.

Hillary
And I have to stay in the EU so you and a small % of the UK want to join you? But hey, as long as you’re Ok then, it’s all good.

George.

6!

How many tories MPs voted against Theresa about a week ago?

Perspective dear boy, perspective!

You should get a job with project fear Hils.

Talks are already well under way with individual countries to come for reciprocal agreements to replace EHIC but I'm sure you knew that anyway.

Labour party as split as the Tories and the country generally, which you would expect looking at the referendum result

I would hope for a remain vote!


8-)

Thanks for that French Link Fred - I have done the Motor Home, Camp Site trips in France. I would also recommend it to anyone, as it is a great way to enjoy company from all walks of life.

As for my vines, the most I am likely to produce is a couple of dozen bottles. When I say tastes vile I mean the wine tastes more like a cooking wine than a drinking one.

Still, the UK is producing some good wines these days, so that is one thing we can avoid buying from the EU as we still drink huge amounts from WTO areas.

Leaving the EU is a bit like leaving MAM at the end of Feb, as it ceases to supply the services some of us require. I have signed up for the 3 month deal, which is also a bit like Article 51 in some respects.

Martini,

No, you don't have to stay in the EU to enjoy freedom of movement. The two aren't necessarily synonymous.

Also, the expats, airline operators and road hauliers represent just the tip of the iceberg in terms of numbers affected by a loss of freedom of movement. Certainly, they'll be the most adversely affected, but Europe remains the number one holiday destination for Brits, and there will be millions of people affected in ways that they never considered when they voted in the referendum.

The point I'm trying to make is that a loss of freedom of movement will adversely affect millions of Brits, yet nobody has ever told me what is wrong with being able to enjoy it, or what it actually costs to enjoy it. It's one of Maggie Dismay's notorious red lines, but why?

Dil,

It's under two months to what is supposedly Brexit deadline day, and they're just talking about these things on an ad hoc basis? They've had two and half years to sort that sh!t out!

sorry hils, but i think what you say about impeding holidaymakers and similar is a nonsense
don't forget that the resorts need british holidaymakers far more than the brits need them
make it all too much of a pain, and many will just go elsewhere


ALSO
as with all these matters, it is always at the last second that true decisions are made
the example of the greek bailout is an easy example

Actually cyners, I'd prefer it if the Brits did go elsewhere. But the need for an ETIAS and IDP after 2021 is real, and certainly not Project Fear scaremongering.

PS. With the Greek bailout, it was Greece who buckled, not the EU.

it was last second resolution to which i referred

Yes Hils I agree , 2 years to sort nothing out. As I have said before I could have achieved a better result in six months.

T. Maybe's negotiations with her own party, reminds me of "Peace in our time" speech made by Chamberlain waving a little bit of paper and been cheered by the mob.

Just a thought.

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Perhaps we should buy our next cars from Japan.