Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

good to see fred harking back to a novelist of the mid 19th century (dostoyesky)

#LedByDonkeys

I was wrong in initially thinking this was Soros' money. Apparently it's crowdfunded - raised £125k of a £150k target with 5 days to go. Each billboard costs about £1k a month.

Fred keeps demonstrating the relevance of Godwin’s Law and falling in to the trap of association fallacy.

Dil,

I'm not a big fan of a second referendum myself, although it may prove to be the only way out of the deadlock assuming that Brexit gets delayed.

I've heard the argument about older Brexiters dying and younger remainers now being old enough to vote, but everybody is now two or three years older and fallen into the next age band up where the leavers have a higher share of the vote.

Then there's the matter of the question asked. I very much doubt it would be the same question as before (the public wouldn't appreciate being asked the same question twice, and just tick the same box as before), but what question would be asked that would get the right result? And if it were a three question referendum, research has shown that the second preference counting method could produce different outcomes.

The biggest issue as I see it though, is who would head up the remain camp in a second referendum? You'd normally expect it to be the PM backed by the government, but having spent 2 years negotiating an exit, she can't do it now. Corbyn probably wouldn't want to do it, and who knows how he'd side??!!??

So what other high profile figures are there who could lead it? Blair? Cameron? They've got too much baggage. You'd be left with the likes of Yvette Cooper and Vince Cable to head up the remain camp - nice people, but not the figureheads that would be needed imo.

Martini,

For me, the behaviour is still analogous whether you can or are unable to recognise it to be so.

Hils , really can't see it happening as it could cause more problems than it solves not least of all giving credibility to the SNPs call for a second independence vote.

Fred , we are not destroying our relationship with the EU we are renegotiating the terms of the relationship.

Perhaps, you are right.

8-)

Talking about a hard border : how about the chimps that escaped from Belfast zoo ? using storm debris....aren't they clever monkeys ?....(that was part one....)……(part two : the irish ones went back in as they would miss tea-time)…….

Very good RF, except that it should have been posted on the joke thread as well...just where all the other Brexit jokes and Brexit joke posters should be )-:

Cheers Stan....perhaps I should have put : Brexitea-time.....(;))…..

One of the ideas in this weekend's press was that, assuming no movement had been made on the current deal, a motion might be moved whereby Parliament would approve May's current deal on the condition that it was subject to a binary referendum with the question 'Should Parliament accept May's deal or stay in the EU?'. To hold the referendum a short extension of Article 50 would be required. Apparently there's cross-party support for it in Parliament as it appeases leavers and remainers and breaks the impasse.

Nobody knows whether a motion like that would have any mileage, but if it did and there was a new referendum, I'm curious how the likes of BoJo would vote given their public denouncement of the current deal, and how it was supposedly worse than staying in the EU. I'd also be interested to know of anybody here who previously voted to leave who would either not vote or now vote to remain given the choice above.

Are you asking the lemmings, like Dil, It, Marti and Georgi, if they are changing direction?

Hardly lemmings Fred. At the time, the odds were on stick-in-the-muds wanting to stay in their comfort zone. The people who voted leave made up their own minds in the face of the full propaganda machine from the government. We will not change direction. We had the vote, we voted, you didn't, end of.

No Fred, I don't expect people to change their mind. It's possible, however, that some might abstain for any one of a number of reasons.

Well Fred' that's one Muppet's view, now what about the others?

Stan,

What do you expect from the "Up and at 'em brigade"?

But, they are so sure that the public who are now more aware of the consequences of Brexit that they are too fright to hold an informed referendum.

They are soooo democratic.

Very true.

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain’s economy slowed as expected in the final three months of last year, pushing growth in 2018 to its weakest in six years, as Brexit worries hammered investment, official figures showed on Monday.

insofar as i have understood even some of the ramifications, i would certainly accept TM's deal in such a scenario

There will not be another referendum. Period. Pipes dreams of the losers. Loosers to the thick one.