Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

and fred?
oh, i'm sure he'll just have his arse glued to his comfy chair as usual


very simplistically, i'ld like to remain within eu BUT ONLY IF there is root and branch reform
this just will not happen without substantial groundswell from the voting public across many of the current member states

however, and as i have stated before, i'm hoping for a very close vote
this i hope will then provoke the impetus required to shake the eu hierarchy out of its smug attitude that it can slowly trundle towards federalism with complete disregard to the wishes of at least very significant minority and perhaps even the majority of the people across all member states

As for the out campaign I would target the younger University types with a sort of , we need you for Britains future , with new frontiers to cross and markets to capture . As opposed to a stodgy over regulated under achieving undemocratic mess .

Nothing will "shake the eu hierarchy out of its smug attitude" except a P45.

Or maybe referendum's in Austria / Sweden /Holland etc , if we should vote out i believe the EU will fall. I sincerely hope so.

The EU will crumble, with or without us. We will only hasten the day of reckoning. The rest of europe are not fools. I echo C in that a reformed Europe would be welcome but nobody has yet said what that means or how it willl happen. Those that feed off the EU tit will not willingly give up their priviliges and benefits.
Obama says that we need a "strong and prosperous and democratic and united Europe". A democracy that gets rid of the democratically elected governments of Italy and Greece and is now undermining that in Poland and in any case asks for a revote whenever anything goes against it wishes.
That is so strong that it cannot protect its own borders.
That is so prosperous that many of its citizens have to leave home to do crappy work in the UK and Germany while the EU Central Bank tries without success to stimulate the failed economies by ever increasing QE.

I've said this before I think they think that it will work by hook or by crook at any cost , I don't think they see failure .

Anybody who still believes that the EU will EVER reform is
either delusional or plainly trying to deceive, just like the
establishment parties who come out with the stupid defence of .....
Yes we know the EU is undemocratic...Yes we know the EU needs to be reformed.......
Yes there are to many immigrants coming into the country......
But we should stay in and 'try' and reform it.....


It's all lies and deception...There will NEVER be any 'REFORMS' and
the longer we stay in the more intagrated the UK will become, and it'l
be meaningless saying at this time, here in the present that they want
to stay in and fight for reforms, it won't matter one iota after 23rd June
if the vote is to remain...

Thats the only argument the remainers can put that 'they' think is positive.......

If picture doesn't appear here, click for great adaptation of Great Escape movie poster!



The music theme from The Great Escape would certainly make a great campaign tune for events and broadcasts.

Th IN-sters currently lead in the opinion polls. But they have already played the Obama card early. Who do they call up next? God? Eight weeks is plenty long enough for that poll lead to be overturned.

Over the coming 8 weeks I reckon there are far more possible new negative EU stories than new positive ones. And there is greater passion among the Leave camp than among those favouring the status quo.

.. Stories being the operative word.

Nice one Juzzle!

The IN lot are not using stories then Stan you utter fool !!!!

Shut up mouth head.

A nice little twist there .

Merkel looks a little too realistic maybe .

Merkel the one leader who has done more damage to the EU than any other , she may have done us a favour .

You lot know less about the EU by the day.

Give it a month and we'll be on a par with you then .

I suggest some read the last "chapter" of the "Great Escape" and look at the price paid for the "adventure" by the "boys".

Similar may apply to the New Escapees, but they are attempting to take others with them.

That's rich coming from someone who refuses to engage with anyone in a half reasonable manner victim.. by the way what are you a victim of?