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Dubious sell-off     

ellio - 15 May 2006 09:10

The market seems to be selling-off on the back of limited bad news imo, apart from the dollar that is.

If you can hold your nerve and apart from any short term requirements to offload poor performing stocks, I have a couple!!, my advice would be sit tight. This does not have the feel of the tech(mining!) bubble at all. Difference being there are a lot of good fundamentals, unlike in 2000 when there were a lot of over rated nothing companies.

cynic - 24 Oct 2007 08:30 - 1326 of 1564

"On Friday, when Countrywide Financial reports its third quarter earnings, Wall Street and economists will get their best look yet at just how bad ...... Its report, which could have important ramifications for the nation's financial sector, will offer a window on the depths of the real estate and home-building downturn ...... Analysts surveyed by earnings tracker First Call forecast that the company will report a loss of $1.26 a share - a dramatic turn from the $1.03 per share profit it made a year earlier. Loss estimates range as high as $3.47 a share."

this could prove very nasty indeed ...... i shall be travelling too much until next week to keep a constant watch, so am exceedingly unlikely to take a postion in the indices, though i think for trhe nimble, there will be some good pickings ...... in both directions, as gyrations are likely to be pretty wild

maddoctor - 24 Oct 2007 12:36 - 1327 of 1564

merrill writedown , 7.9 billion , numbers which are hard to get your head round

hlyeo98 - 24 Oct 2007 16:04 - 1328 of 1564

Sell out today before the drop which is due very soon

maddoctor - 24 Oct 2007 16:10 - 1329 of 1564

comment on house sales:

"It's not surprising that sales were weak, what is becoming more of a realization is with such high inventory levels, the highest since 1998, that prices are going down, and lower prices are going to effect everything; that is the next leg," said Peter Boockvar, equity strategist at Miller Tabek.

Stan - 29 Oct 2007 08:03 - 1330 of 1564

Thanks to Kyoto on the Traders board for posting this link:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,,2200423,00.html

Even in the future it may well be worth your interests looking back and reading that link again before making your investment decisions, I certainly will.

cynic - 29 Oct 2007 08:50 - 1331 of 1564

i alaso question whether or not Fed really will cut rates again this week ...... to my mind, it would give out all the wrong signals and certainly fuel future inflation

Falcothou - 29 Oct 2007 09:26 - 1332 of 1564

Seems to be a lot of expectation that they will. The big gains on oil, gold, and mining seem to reflect this along with some highly leveraged long positions that could be difficult to unwind if rates stay the same. Wednesday/Thursday will be volatile days.Personally I hope they do reflected in a few shorts I have perhaps foolhardedly put on

HARRYCAT - 29 Oct 2007 16:26 - 1333 of 1564

As quoted by Tom Hougaard from City Index today:

"The way I interpret the market action is that Wall Street are leaning heavily on another cut by at least 25 basis points. If the market doesn't get it, we will see a spectacular sell-off. If it does get 50 basis points, as some analysts expect, we should see new all time highs for the Dow over the coming month."

Tricky call now. Do I lock in all profit just in case there is a sell off, but if the Fed do drop rates then I will have sold for nothing & will miss the surge! Any thoughts?

Falcothou - 29 Oct 2007 17:46 - 1334 of 1564

One option might be to go long and short of the dow just before the announcement with tight guaranteed stop losses, that way if it took off, one would make a heap, the other a small loss.

Darradev - 29 Oct 2007 17:53 - 1335 of 1564

Is that what they call a 'hedge' ? ;-) Maybe a new analogy - One in the hand and one in the bush !

cynic - 29 Oct 2007 18:29 - 1336 of 1564

i do not ask what you are doing with your hands, but a short of either Dow or FTSE to protect your long portfolio at least in part is not a bad strategy

HARRYCAT - 29 Oct 2007 20:20 - 1337 of 1564

Is that the 'Burning Bush' ? If so might sell everything!
Any other kind of bush & will be content to hold. :o)

I was really trying to guage opinions on whether Fed rate would change or not.
It would seem that half a point down would see the DOW & FTSE reach unprecedented highs. Assuming we are going to see yet more fallout from the sub-prime fiasco in the coming months, this could be my only opportunity to feather my nest (as opposed to my bush).

cynic - 30 Oct 2007 05:00 - 1338 of 1564

it seems to me that the markets are already anticipating an awful lot of good news -too much in my opinion.

Darradev - 30 Oct 2007 07:45 - 1339 of 1564

Morning Mr C. Can appreciate the sentiments. thanks.

Darradev - 30 Oct 2007 07:52 - 1340 of 1564

Morning Harry, I believe that there are still a lot of people out there wanting to burn the 'George W' variety.

As Mr C says, there seems to be a bit too much anticipation of good news and not enough downside planning. Make hay while the sun shines.... but keep your waterpoofs ready.

cynic - 30 Oct 2007 08:00 - 1341 of 1564

am taking money off the table this morning and am already running a small Dow short which i shall prob increase

steveo - 30 Oct 2007 08:32 - 1342 of 1564

Brave move cynic, in the short term (next 2 weeks) at least. Certainly not for medium term (next 2 months)

I prefer the long and short option with tight stop losses. I expect a 25 basis point cut, 50 points would cause fresh highs then reality would sink in and the bear run on the dow will probably gain momentum.

Results have been favourable this last week in US, but economic data is becoming increasingly gloomy, we are nearing the top in the US.

Follow that with some position covering, by sell off in asia, add afew automated stop losses and we have a major correction.

Falcothou - 30 Oct 2007 08:58 - 1343 of 1564

Makes you wonder whether the average American would be better off with the savings on their mortgages by a cut than with the resultant increased fuel charges for their enormous SUV's, or are thet all driving Smart cars and prius's these days?

Falcothou - 30 Oct 2007 13:46 - 1344 of 1564

Seems to be a lot of holders ditching gold before this fed decision

HARRYCAT - 30 Oct 2007 15:57 - 1345 of 1564

What's the logic behind that? I thought Gold was a safe haven in times of trouble.
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