Fred1new
- 06 Jan 2009 19:21
Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?
If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?
Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?
What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?
Isaacs
- 16 Dec 2009 08:24
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Fred - it doesn't matter what most Iranians think. It matters what Ahmadinejad and the rest of the leadership think and there views are quite clear. It is not just denying the Holocaust (or allowing those that do a state sponsored platform) but wanting to eradicate Israel and Jews. It is like China saying it want's to eradicate Japan or Tony Blair wanting to eradicate Ireland. Call that civilised if it so pleases you.
Fred1new
- 16 Dec 2009 11:11
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Isaacs,
I am not a holocaust denier, but I am getting a little fed up with I feel some of the Jewish community milking this period and using it as justification of some of their present actions.
This seems to me to ignore over 70 million individuals of other countries, who during that period suffered the consequences of a Fascist regime during the 1930s and later periods.
Ie Russians, other Slavs, Gypsies, etc. whose suffering was just as great, but their claims less well orchestrated.
The rhetoric of some of the Iranian and Zionist leadership could be seen as the exposure what may be considered subconscious motivation.
But I think the leadership of both groups are equally culpable in utilising the emotion of the present conflict, for their own political aims and other ends.
I cannot see Iran, even with Nuclear Arms ability, being stupid enough to consider their use in a stand-off with Israel.
Looking at the political news about Iran I guess the present government, with its insiders and supporters are beginning to lose its support. How long it will take for a more reasonable regime to emerge is debatable, but will not be any quicker by demonization by the Israel and the West.
I still think the rhetoric from Israel's leadership is a diversionary tactic to avoid observation and criticism, with the possibility of follow up actions against the abuses, which are taking place against a recognisable group within its own "borders".
Haystack
- 16 Dec 2009 11:21
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I am not a supporter of Israel, but the problem of Iran has nothing to do with the leaders of Israel. Iran has an irrational leadership who are generally accepted to be a reall danger to various parts of the world. They don't have a nuclear weapon now and it would be clearly better if they did not get one. North Lorea is another country similar to Iran. The difference with North Korea, China, Russia is that they already have nuclear weapons and Iran does not.
Fred1new
- 16 Dec 2009 11:27
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Haystack,
Does "irrational" mean holding opinions which you or another group disagree with?
Does holding a "different opinion" ie. "irrational opinion" mean the the "holder" does not have grounds to believe in that "position" and that they as a "whole" are irrational?
Haystack
- 16 Dec 2009 12:02
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No. It has more to do with being a violent dictatorship and in particular violent towards its own people.
Fred1new
- 16 Dec 2009 12:25
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On that grounds one would "could" consider the Israeli government as irrational, as it is violent to a "non-Jewish" section of its own population and imprisoning dissenters.
Fred1new
- 16 Dec 2009 12:27
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Just a simple question, where does "own people" end and racialism begin?
Fred1new
- 16 Dec 2009 12:38
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Hays,
Can you tell me what Israeli "administrative detention" is and how many individuals are held under this law without trial?
Haystack
- 16 Dec 2009 13:37
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Fred
Just more red herrings from you. even the other Arab countries are terrified of Iran having neuclear weapons.
Fred1new
- 16 Dec 2009 13:59
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The Arab administrations (?democratic) or the people?
But you haven't answered the question.
You may be using the dismissive unquestioning argument "it is obvious why", but it isn't.
With the present obviously aggressive, expansionistic, Zionistic fundamentalist political grouping within Israels governing Administration body of Israel it would seem to me that the surrounding countries are on their guard and wish to protect themselves from that aggression.
We can see that Israel does not respect International Law.
Some of the countries may feel the wish to protect their country and oil reserves, which others think they have the automatic right to.
fahel
- 16 Dec 2009 14:42
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Albert Einstein on Deir Yaseen massacre
http://www.deiryassin.org/einstein.html
Fred1new
- 20 Dec 2009 17:54
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Israeli government warns its ministers not to visit Britain.
Surely not all the Israeli's government are guilty at of War Crimes?
Or are they?
fahel
- 21 Dec 2009 08:18
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I think all are guilty some of them more than the others.
Fred1new
- 21 Dec 2009 09:42
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Fahel,
It is Xmas.
fahel
- 21 Dec 2009 09:57
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I give them my forgivness as God requested us to do so, also I pray for God to save and keep all away from sickness and give them a good health. Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to you and your Family.
Haystack
- 21 Dec 2009 11:45
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Xmas is a Roman pagan festival highjacked by the RC church to suppress it. It has no religious importance and is just a festival to have a good time, expecially for children.
fahel
- 21 Dec 2009 20:00
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New EU foreign policy chief lambastes 'Israeli occupation'
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1135787.html
Fred1new
- 22 Dec 2009 10:10
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Fahel,
Thank you for your Xmas salutation and I wish you the same.
It is a shame that some seem to lack the propensity to identify and act on the sentiment contained in it. This is apparent in the words and actions of some of the present leadership in the Middle East and other areas of the world.
Hays,
Like you I am an atheist, but I do recognise that Xmas, for many, is symbolic of a period of goodwill, and generosity and more importantly tolerance and understanding of other people and their beliefs and values. The latter being just as valid as your own and held just as strongly.
Whether, or not, Xmas is celebrated at the timing of previous pagan ceremonies, is probably irrelevant to the majority Christians, or those who celebrate Xmas as being simply symbolic of families and friends coming together.
Probably, it is the sentiment which surrounds this period which is important.
PS. The giving of an "object" to somebody and generosity to that person are not necessarily the same thing.
Haystack
- 22 Dec 2009 12:34
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In 1931, the Coca Cola Corporation contracted the Swedish commercial artist Haddon Sundblom to create a coke-drinking Santa. Sundblom modeled his Santa on his friend Lou Prentice, chosen for his cheerful, chubby face. The corporation insisted that Santas fur-trimmed suit be bright, Coca Cola red. And Santa was born a blend of Christian crusader, pagan god, and commercial idol.
hilary
- 22 Dec 2009 14:28
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