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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Fred1new - 13 Jan 2010 12:50 - 1368 of 6906

I am impressed with the speed of appraising the program and the depth of your informed opinion!


HO, Ho!

cynic - 13 Jan 2010 12:51 - 1369 of 6906

as has been said before on numerous occasions - a plague on both their houses
in this instance, they're both as bad (more pungent epithets also come to mind) as each other as were the provos and the loyalists in ireland

though it clearly suits neither protagonist nor their secret backers, a pragmatic approach would see the whole matter sorted in a relatively short time (a year or two instead of decades)

Fred1new - 13 Jan 2010 13:54 - 1370 of 6906

I agree with the latter part of your statement. (Don't like plagues.)

One of the problems is the orchestrated entrenching of attitudes in the young.

One struggles to see who gains from such, or what the underlying motivation
for doing so is.

It seems primitive, but primitive drives can generally be seen as "purposeful", sometimes with possible benefit.

Perhaps, the instigators, or the coercers are just tribal and archaic.



cynic - 13 Jan 2010 14:48 - 1371 of 6906

just politically driven with their own agendas

fahel - 25 Jan 2010 14:08 - 1372 of 6906

HOW ISRAELI'S TREAT PALESTINIANS


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcYcw-uWqzk

Fred1new - 25 Jan 2010 14:37 - 1373 of 6906

Do the Israelis consider themselves superior beings?

required field - 25 Jan 2010 15:15 - 1374 of 6906

Couldn't we have some jewish jokes for a change ?, some of them are quite funny !.

Fred1new - 25 Jan 2010 17:18 - 1375 of 6906

I agree.

Jewish, Russian-Jewish and American Russian humour with its irony, self depreciation and perceptive quality is one of the many redeeming features of those of Jewish origin.



ExecLine - 25 Jan 2010 17:41 - 1376 of 6906

The sooner we get an end to all religions, then the better as far as I am concerned.

For ages now, these have been used by those in power to teach morality and control the masses. All this whilst those who have the most money and power and control have clearly realised that they govern and determine their own morality.

I do wish someone would invent or introduce a new 'morality' as a 'standard' or 'way to get the best out of life' and begin to teach it internationally. All of this, so as to completely put an end to all these mystic religions.

Here's the most recent amusing and trash definition of Christianity which I've read:

"The belief, that some cosmic jewish zombie, who is his own father, can make you live forever, if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, thus allowing him to remove an evil force from your soul, that is present in all of humanity merely because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat fruit from a magical tree."

Isn't this explanation about right? Isn't it just blatant and utterly ridiculous rubbish?

Let's bring some more of these 'trashing definitions' on and collapse some more religions.

But at the same time, let's put some sensible and fair 'life guidelines' back in their place.

Has anyone got one for the Jewish religion? Or even any other religion?

Fred1new - 25 Jan 2010 18:27 - 1377 of 6906

Exec, even a non-belief is, or can become a belief.

Also, I can foresee the difficulties of introjection of a core "morality" into some of the young of a society in the absence of a religious base of some form.

I think it may be reasonable to examined beliefs in adolescence, or later, and at that time some of the absurdities of many religion can be challenged.

For me, religion seems to have its uses and its amusing sides.

It is a small number of Zealots, of whatever creed they believe in, who seem to spoil it.

Also, I see that a lot of members of various religious groups seem to be more altruistic than those without a religion.

Many working in conditions and places into which I would hesitate to venture.

What interests me, is why you seem to be so angry about others having their beliefs?





Haystack - 25 Jan 2010 18:29 - 1378 of 6906

I completely agree. Instead of worrying that religious believers might be offended, we should be intending to offend them. There are far worse things than being offended, such as all the things done in the name of religion. If you described the beliefs and practices of religion without mentioning that it was religious then the whole thing would be absurd. It is no more sane than believing in fairies at the bottom of your garden or that carrots are holy and cannot be eaten or a sin would be committed.

A major step forward would be to remove the special status of faith schools as regards charitable staus and ability to preselect pupils. It is not the faith element that makes faith schools better. It is the preselection of well behaved pupils who have parents that want their children to learn. I went to a convent school and the nuns were pathetic teachers. In my year ony two children passed the 11 plus. that's pretty dire for a fee paying school. I went to a Catholic Grammar school run by Jesuit priests. The education was very good, but probably similar to most grammar schools as again the pupils had been preselected by the 11 plus.

Fred1new - 25 Jan 2010 18:44 - 1379 of 6906

It is the preselection of well behaved pupils who have parents that want their children to learn.

What is the ethos of the parents who have well behaved children?

Where and when did the ethos originate?

Was it passed onto the parents of the children?

If so, by whom?

Was the process useful for society?

Just interested?

(Perhaps, it was from David Cameron and his family structure theories?)

fahel - 26 Jan 2010 10:10 - 1380 of 6906

The Reality Of Israel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l30k54fH23g

ExecLine - 26 Jan 2010 11:18 - 1381 of 6906

In 'The Reality Of Israel' Jewish woman, Nurit Peled , tells the truth about Israel ....Israeli peace activist Professor Nurit Peled whose own 13-year-old daughter was killed by a suicide bomber in 1997 but instead of speaking against the Palestinians, she speaks in favour of them and reveals the reality of Israel.

"My little girl was murdered because she was an Israeli, by a young man who was humiliated, oppressed and desperate to the point of suicide and murder and inhumanity, just because he was a Palestinian."

Fred1new - 17 Feb 2010 09:34 - 1382 of 6906


One can see why Israel is being looked upon by many as a becoming a Pariah State.

I wonder why they are allowed to dismiss International Law.

If what is stated in below and the article from the Times is correct I hope that those involved will be extradited and put on trial for murder.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7029553.ece

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February 17, 2010 *******

Britons had passport details stolen by Mossad death squad

Catherine Philp, Diplomatic Correspondent, Richard Ford, Home Correspondent and Sheera Frenkel, Jerusalem


British authorities are investigating how six British nationals apparently had their identities stolen by suspected Mossad agents on a mission to assassinate a Hamas leader in Dubai.

The Foreign and Commonwealth Office confirmed that the identities used by six members of the 11-strong hit squad were those of real British passport holders living in Israel. We believe the passports used were fraudulent, and have begun our own investigation, a spokesman said.

Authorities are considering the possibility that British passport details were copied from the originals by hotel or immigration staff while the holders were travelling.

While the names, passport numbers and dates of birth on the fraudulent passports matched the originals, the photographs and signatures differed.
etc..

Gausie - 17 Feb 2010 10:16 - 1383 of 6906

Fred - you'd have gone on such a mission on your own passport? Sounds like a plan.

Isaacs - 17 Feb 2010 10:18 - 1384 of 6906

You mean CIA and MI5 agents don't use their own travel documents?

Gausie - 17 Feb 2010 11:01 - 1385 of 6906

Isaacs - this thread is a revelation. Of Fred's double standards.

Fred1new - 17 Feb 2010 12:33 - 1386 of 6906

Isaacs,

If P 1384 is referring to using false passports by agents, I am sure they do.

As can be seen from the Iraq debacle, their value is questionable.

But if they committed murder abroad or home I would hope they would be brought to book.

It is the arrogance of, and dismissive abuse by "Israel" of other countries that is the problem.

The repercussion is that a peaceful resolution of the problems in Middle East is postpone or lessened.

If other countries carried out what is suggested to be an Israeli action then I can imagine the outrage they would show.

Kayak - 17 Feb 2010 13:04 - 1387 of 6906

Impersonating real identities must surely become de rigueur for any competent spy. With computerised border controls, and passenger lists being reported to anti-terrorism agencies, a made up name and passport number simply wouldn't work.
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