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Bring on the end of the month.
Hopefully positive RNS and 'expected' results. asda greenseal should deliver on schedule
the days of 5-8p a share are history. Anyone care to PROVE different or want to sell at that price then please feel free.
Lots of NEW/recycled posters peddling the same SHORT message.
YET SP holds steady.
Am happy to hold longterm. Won't/don't advise others as theirs is not my money.
Each to their own.
wish all well, even blinger.
lol

for those interested theres a post on FYB re coca-cola hosting the nest SUSTAINABLE PACKAGING event. PERSCO- stanelco- biodegradeable bottles?
MORE JAM TOMORROW>......LOL
http://www.sustainablepackaging.org/meetings.asp

I'm in and I'm holding long term - these shares will look very cheap in the future and others will be wishing they had bought in.

BKK2-eh???
Methinks you are havering sir,I put no price on SEO at all, and 8p is certainly not on my horizon.
Just the Q I asked in my first post , why the hatred?, some growing up to be done?
Without long and short there is no market.We are in investment together, both keep the sp afloat.
Most small punters who short nowadays use the Spread Betting firms, to wish losses on everyone who is short in that medium will incurr the wrath of millions, and probably MAM too, who advertise their wares, and indeed have lectures on how to short or long.

CG,
You need to understand the resentment and hostility on here is to one particular shorter who has nothing at all to do with 9 months. Try 3.
It is nothing to do with whether he makes money or not. Who cares.
It is nothing to do with talking a share down. Who gives a damn.
This thread has been littered with shorts and longs enjoying reasonable debate, and who knows, perhaps changing each others minds.
The hostility is towards particular posters who lack common decency and courtesy. Their position is irrelevant. When people lie and cheat and insult others they should expect nothing other than hostility.
Fred, re the market being a gamble. There is one school of economic thought that says shares are not a gamble PROVIDING your investment is properly spread across sectors and companies and you avoid shorting. The argument goes that if you long all sectors and a broad range of companies within them, then resist trading and merely hold for a number of years, you must gain in excess of inflation, deposits and bonds, otherwise capitalism has failed and we will return to a barter system. In these circumstances, money is irrelevant, so losing it doesn't matter. People lose by cranking up the odds, by way of over shorting, restricting their spread, trying to time the market and expecting gains to be instant.
Like I say, one school of thought and open to much debate, but it is often put forward as a convincing argument in economic circles. I'm not clever enough to explain it fully, and perhaps the more intelligent on here could propound it more fully, but its a damn boring subject!
Best wishes,
Alan

Hmm!!
Think I shall return to the oil threads, too much agro here,

good luck.

CG,

Goodbye & good luck!

You posed a question out of the blue, probably as a result of reading the Blinger ribbing, you got several answers, I believe quite pleasantly put, and you refer to it as "agro". Possibly a tad hyper-sensitive my lad/lass.

Hyper sensitive?, no , quite the opposite , just amazed at the inability to address the facts, the agro is sub- liminal ,it happens when sp`s surge and then go into limbo, as hewitalan said quite boring, so I will leave you to it,

good luck,
oh, and watch Empyrean tomorrow, it might surge, there again I might go short, depends which way the crumble lies ,I believe they call it " making a shilling".

Goodbye
classy glassy

good luck driver, you`ll need it.

E.K.

I will be with you pn EME tomorrow - also CHP,CDS,MRP ?? - they all seemto be bubbling right now

Well, that was an interesting little dialogue. The only question really relevant is not whether shorting is good or bad, or whether long-ing is good or bad, but whether the break-out from the converging SEO chart pattern will be up or down. The trading range has been such that there will have been little money to be made by active trading. Volumes have been quite low so I suspect the MMs have been moving the share to try to attract business. I have argued above that a break-out is inevitable: there is a balance of buyers and sellers at present but one or other will almost certainly predominate on the next RNS. If the ASDA news is not positive and there is nothing that really compensates then it could be down. But, unless you have inside information it would appear to be a sizeable gamble to short the share in advance although the situation might be different when the news is out. The response could be that the same applies with regard to taking a long position at present levels. My own judgement in taking a long position is that the potential size of a rise dwarfs the size of a fall: the criteria, applying either to the probability of any rise against any fall or to the probable size of the rise against the size of a fall, being a 3: 1 ratio. So a support level at 12p against a resistance level of 28p establishes my viewpoint.

I do go along with Alan's thesis as is clear in terms of out-performance of investments over the years. But if you spread yourself too thin you may get a real return but you won't make the killing most of us are looking for. I have to admit that I shun shorting but know a chap who made a fortune using CFDs for shorting at the turn of the century with a very strong bear market. There was loads of lolly to be made shorting SEO last summer when it got ahead of itself (the sp not the company). I currently have 6 long positions (3 via CFD), all emerging stocks, 5 out of 6 having back-tracked from over-enthusiatic initial gains. I have to admit that SEO is the one I am least certain about (because of the ASDA uncertainty), but it could well be the share with the greatest potential.

Happy to have a conversation on this because it is right to the heart of one's investing strategy - feel that that is the sort of dialogue that might be helpful for many in the absence of direct news from SEO.

Eric

does anyone know when results will be out? last year it was the 28th, but i cannot find any news indicating an exact date. do seo not have to state what date they will release the final results ?

thanks

SEO, short?pennies BUT

Trust me on this one, short this down 25%, its RYA


yours

Simon

Anyone been into an ASDA recently???? Purely anecdotally, it seems that many more products are Greensealed than in December, BUT this is purely purely anecdotal just random observations anyone been in and been a bit more scientific????

No comment cos you might think I'm PM1 in disguise, but this is in the news today;
Anyone remember the ciggy filter auction????

Crackdown on cigarette butt dumping


A major crackdown on cigarette ends and ash is being launched today by anti litter campaigners.

Keep Britain Tidy is giving away a quarter of a million free cigarette pouches, in a bid to stamp out the mess and dirt that the habit creates.

The move follows MPs' decision this week to ban smoking in pubs clubs and restaurants.

The wallets, coloured camouflage or leopard skin, are designed to store butts safely until smokers find a bin.

And with research suggesting that cigarette related rubbish is already the country's biggest litter problem, the Campaign is striking now before bans force smokers outside and the streets become a cigarette end dumping ground.

Alan Woods, Chief Executive of Keep Britain Tidy said: "With nowhere to smoke in the pub or the office, smokers are nipping outside for a cigarette.

"With bars and businesses reluctant to provide bins, the result is more flung fag ends, boxes and matches and a bigger council tax tab to clean them up."

Keep Britain Tidy said the pouches, available free from ASDA tobacco counters, will go some way to stopping the extra rubbish. These have been market tested by smokers across the country, most of whom want a neat, discrete and responsible way of getting rid of their cigarette ends.

Similarly posters to back the drive were created after smokers said "no" to preachy messages and "yes" to campaigns that gave them some credit for being sensible citizens.

Alan Woods added: "For most smokers, the priority is to stub out their butt safely which is why so many were keen on cig bins with ashtrays, where they could see their dog end extinguished properly."

So, ClassyGlassy (aka E.K. aka Simon) recommends shorting down 25% to 11.25p.

I'm resistant, since have a long-term belief in this share. However, as Eric says when it breaks out of the current tight range it could go either way. CG and his aliases are reported to make a fair bit of money on their short positions.

Hence, I'm sticking with my own plan - a strict stop loss of 14p mid which has been the support floor of the recent months). If it breaks down through that, it may well go lower by as much as CG/EK/SC predicts. Might even look at setting a spread bet sell order on stop just in case. If that worked out I wouldn't have to trade the share in and out so much.

sd

Well, well, well,

We now have an interesting turn. Someone of many aliases appears, asks a question about shorting SEO over the past 9 months, signs off as "E.K." then "Simon" and people's ears begin to prick up!

With a possible 7 days to results, it would seem that someone is yet again attempting to influence the weaker holders.

Well, as they say, "fortune favours the brave"!

Simon C

cg.
For someone returning to the 'oil threads' you're obviously taking a very scenic route.
LOL

Classyglassy - Go short, go long, do your own thing. Lets just hear your prediction and reasons why? You never know there maybe some that agree... Reference the word "Trust" in the above post, now whos the silly boy then!!