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Golddog - 23 Jan 2003 13:39

- Welcome to the unofficial dark side of the Bar -
 GD's Night Club
- Refreshment for Naughty doll032.gif Goodsouls -
In memory of Croc 25/5/04 -forever welcome and very much loved by all We serve filthy booze in the midnight hour It's a bit Gorgeous I'm an alcoholic, but i don't care! 
Come inside, be wild and free, drink yourself silly!
-Feel the spirit of the lost one inside your head?-
Through the locked door behold the secret cavern that holds the stored booze - anyone seen the damn key?

it's been a hard day! and i'm bloody thirsty!!- The Boozejust one more for the road! Bar Wine & Beer list -

The Beer selection:- (hic)We are always fully stocked with the finest boozePoochies BoddingtonsHoltsMarston Pedigree - Better Brewed in WoodBank's dark mildStormC Guinness Visit Realbeer.comThe Wine selection:-Lilac wine (from the Cafe lilac tree)Chateau Smith Haut Lafitte 2000DP VIN '96 Mighty Micro specialityMumm Napa Blanc de Noirs Vintage 1996 Sterling Vinyards Three Palms Vineyard Cabernet Sauvignon (purple velvet!!) Ridge Vineyard's Cabernet, from their ramshackle winery high in the hills above Palo Alto.Niebaum-Coppola's Diamond Zinfandel, goes well with the bread and cheese

Horse racing Thread Capital Gains Calculator- Links - Report bugs Dow thread
Crocs html FTSE comp ask trading Q? Juke BoxGame Tables
 Hello i'm Lambykins - click here to enter my coffee house

huh.gifThe Bunny food menu- we love Bun buns    | | GD's Club Photo Gallery   here i amYe Ol'Fish and Chips - cod, haddock and plaice available Mushy peas for those so inclined Ditto baked beans Followed by: Ye Ol'Apple pie and cream For those anti-fish either baked beans or mushy peas on toast can be whipped up for you ;>) Lastly NO requests for chip butties, let's try and be a bit healthy! (Service not included - so serve yourself!!)

I'm Tiddles the night pussy!

optomistic - 30 Sep 2004 15:37 - 15055 of 23498

Out for a while now, bye

hilary - 30 Sep 2004 15:54 - 15056 of 23498

P2P music (eg Kazaa) downloaders should possibly be aware of this article from today's NY Times. Registration is free.

little willie - 30 Sep 2004 16:02 - 15057 of 23498

Hello all, We're all wandering around like zombies and I've goit ther mother of all hangovers still. Tried all the recipes, nun work.

Same probs in our house today as Jeffers has but then again we eat food not flowers; there still seems to be people lolling about who should have buggered orf hours ago [last night actually] and they're now talking of wanting food again..

Think the poolman seems to have cleaned it up pretty well so may risk a livener of a dip as that might just work; expected out to dinner in under 2 hours time, bloody hell.

Enjoy the rest of your day everyone...

jeffmack - 30 Sep 2004 16:02 - 15058 of 23498

Hils
cant be asked to register, can you be a honey and cut and paste please

hilary - 30 Sep 2004 16:13 - 15059 of 23498

Panel Considers Copyright Bill
By TOM ZELLER Jr.

Published: September 30, 2004


Just over a year ago, the recording industry unleashed its first barrage of lawsuits against people who share music online - a move that appeared to curtail illegal file swapping briefly. But in the months since, activity on file-sharing networks has recovered and grown, prompting the music and movie industries to try legislating the file-sharing beast into submission.

The Senate Judiciary Committee is now considering a bill that stands at the center of the file-sharing debate - the Induce Act, or the Inducing Infringement of Copyrights Act of 2004. It joins a torrent of other bills introduced in Congress and in state legislatures to address piracy of copyrighted materials. Negotiations on the bill's language are expected to continue today. A vote could come as early as next week.

Last week, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger of California signed a bill that would charge file swappers in the state with a misdemeanor if they fail to include a valid e-mail address with the files they trade. On Tuesday, the United States House of Representatives passed the Piracy Deterrence and Education Act, which would provide stiff penalties for copyright violators, including up to three years in prison. A similar measure passed the Senate in June.

Unlike other bills, however, the Induce Act is aimed at the makers of peer-to-peer file-sharing software, rather than at those who use it. Supporters of the bill say it is needed to curb abuses of intellectual property rights. Opponents contend that its broad language will stifle innovation.

The fight has brought together some unusual alliances. The American Conservative Union, for example, has joined with advocacy groups, like Public Knowledge and the Electronic Frontier Foundation, to challenge the Induce Act. The group has begun running ads, citing what it sees as a potential tsunami of lawsuits that would follow should it be signed into law. "Compromising property rights and encouraging predatory, costly litigation is not a conservative position," the ads say.

In a letter sent to the Senate this month, the National Taxpayers Union called the Induce Act "the legislative equivalent of trying to rid a house of termites by burning it to the ground." And the Heritage Foundation, a conservative group, produced its own study of peer-to-peer file sharing last month, concluding in part that this kind of legislation might well threaten "a huge range of legitimate activities."

Months of haggling have yielded alternate drafts, yet little in the way of middle ground. Still, critics and supporters appear to agree on at least one point: regardless of whether this particular version of the bill is passed, distributors of file-swapping software like Kazaa may not be able to escape legislation for long.

Whether this or any law can ultimately stymie illegal peer-to-peer networking, however, remains an open question. After all, at any given moment, roughly seven million people are exchanging digital content on peer-to-peer networks, according to industry trackers. Much of it is pornography, most of it is music, and nearly all of it is illegally shared.

At its heart, the Induce Act is the music and film industries' response to a court victory won by two peer-to-peer software companies, StreamCast Networks, the maker of Morpheus software, and Grokster. A federal appeals court in August upheld the notion that a technology capable of legal uses cannot be held liable simply because some - or even most - of its users deploy it to violate a copyright. That decision relied heavily on the principles of a 1984 Supreme Court decision popularly known as the Sony-Betamax case, which gave makers of electronic devices crucial legal protection against claims of copyright infringement.

The Induce Act, said Markham Erickson, the director of federal policy for NetCoalition, an Internet policy watchdog group, "would make Sony-Betamax irrelevant."

The language of the bill would hold liable anyone who "intentionally aids, abets, induces or procures" copyright infringement. The bill was introduced by Senator Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah, and is supported by a bipartisan coalition of 10 senators, including Democrats like Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont, Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and Barbara Boxer of California, as well as Republicans like Bill Frist of Tennessee and Lindsey O. Graham of South Carolina.

Supporters contend that in the absence of tough legislation, commercial enterprises like Kazaa and Grokster will continue to reap profits from rampant illegal behavior on the peer-to-peer networks.

"Music, movies, books and software contribute well over half a trillion dollars to the U.S. economy each year, and support 4.7 million workers," Senator Frist said in remarks supporting the bill's introduction in June. "When our copyright laws are blatantly ignored or threatened, an enormous sector of our economy and creative culture is threatened."

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Mitch Bainwol, Senator Frist's former chief of staff and now chairman of the Recording Industry Association of America, which is leading the charge on the Induce Act and the thousands of lawsuits that have been filed against individual users, puts it more plainly.

"Napster was shut down because it had a centralized server," he said, referring to the father of peer-to-peer file sharing that was forced to shut down in 2001, and later reopened as a pay service. Soon after Napster's initial collapse came the decentralized peer-to-peer networks that are now at the center of the debate. "These decentralized systems exploit a loophole. They make money on advertising and their business model is based on theft."

While that may be true, opponents of the Induce Act say that the bill's language is so sweeping that many other technologies may be in danger of being caught in its grasp. They argue that innovations as common as the VCR - or Xerox machines or the iPod - would never have come about if their inventors had toiled under the threat that some users might misuse the technology.

"This is not just closing loopholes," said Susan Crawford, a professor of Internet law at the Cardozo School of Law in New York. "They're creating nooses."

That concern has generated a frenzy of activity among trade groups and Internet advocates on one side, and the recording industry and their supporters in Congress on the other. Several drafts of the bill were generated and discussed by the groups, including versions from the federal copyright office, which has supported the bill, and the Consumer Electronics Association, a trade group that sought to codify the principles of the Sony-Betamax decision and minimize the bill's repercussions by focusing the language squarely on peer-to-peer technologies.

While supporters of the bill have characterized the negotiations and language-tweaking over the last several months as free and open, opponents say the process has done little to address their concerns.

"We said, 'If you're going after the peer-to-peer networks, then you define it that way,' " said Gary Shapiro, president of the Consumer Electronics Association. "So we gave them a piece of legislation and it was totally ignored."

"We're intensely paranoid about this," he added.

Other opponents point out that peer-to-peer technology is not something that can be successfully constrained by new laws. A company can be prevented from making commercial gains with a product that uses peer-to-peer networking, but how would a law stop the tinkerers and programmers who know how to create peer-to-peer software and willingly share their innovations on the Internet?

"You might as well ask yourself, 'Why couldn't the World Wide Web ever just go away?' " said Adam Toll, a co-founder of BigChampagne, a company that tracks peer-to-peer usage. "It would take a totalitarian concentration of resources to make such a thing happen, and you'd have to take away the thinking that resides in millions of brains around the world."

Eric Garland, the chief executive of BigChampagne, predicts this battle will be a blip in the evolution of the music and film industries. "This is really not so different from what happened with radio over 70 years ago," he said.

The current legislative and legal battles, Mr. Garland said, are merely the desperate attempts by the content industries to hold on to an old business model that affords them a remarkable amount of control over how and when their products are consumed. Once they accept the new paradigm, "these types of technologies are eventually going to make people in the creative chain a lot of money," Mr. Garland said.

Perhaps so, but Mr. Bainwol of the recording industry suggests that the illegal file sharers need to be dealt with first. "There's no way to have a vibrant peer-to-peer market place so long as you have a rampant illegal market place," he said.



jeffmack - 30 Sep 2004 16:21 - 15060 of 23498

All huff and puff. Hope you will visit me in Rykers Prison.

Did you install Kazaa?

hilary - 30 Sep 2004 16:26 - 15061 of 23498

My son has, Jeffie ..... well pleased with it so far. He even burned me a T-Rex CD at the weekend.

:o)

jeffmack - 30 Sep 2004 16:34 - 15062 of 23498

Subject: One liners. Olden but golden


1. Two blondes walk into a building..........you'd think at least one of
them would have seen it.

2. 'Phone answering machine message - " . . . If you want to buy marijuana,
press the hash key..."

3. A guy walks into the psychiatrist wearing only Clingfilm for shorts. The
shrink says, "Well, I can clearly see you're nuts."

4. I went to buy some camouflage trousers the other day but I couldn't find
any.

5. I went to the butchers the other day and I bet him 50 quid that he
couldn't reach the meat off the top shelf. He said, "No, the steaks are too
high."

6. My friend drowned in a bowl of muesli. A strong currant pulled him in.

7. A man came round in hospital after a serious accident. He shouted,
"Doctor, doctor, I can't feel my legs!" The doctor replied, "I know you
can't, I've cut your arms off".

8. I went to a seafood disco last week . . . and pulled a muscle.

9. Two Eskimos sitting in a kayak were chilly. They lit a fire in the craft,
it sank, proving once and for all that you can't have your kayak and heat
it.

10. Our ice cream man was found lying on the floor of his van covered with
hundreds and thousands. Police say that he topped himself.

11. Man goes to the doctor, with a strawberry growing out of his head. Doc
says "I'll give you some cream to put on it."

12. 'Doc I can't stop singing The Green, Green Grass of Home' "That sounds
like Tom Jones syndrome. ' Is it common? ' "It's not unusual."

13. A man takes his Rotteweiller to the vet. "My dog's cross-eyed, is there
anything you can do for him?" "Well," says the vet, "let's have a look at
him" So he picks the dog up and examines his eyes, then checks his teeth.
Finally, he says, "I'm going to have to put him down." "What? Because he's
cross-eyed? ""No, because he's really heavy"

14. Guy goes into the doctor's. "Doc, I've got a cricket ball
stuck up my backside." "How's that?" "Don't you start."

15. Two elephants walk off a cliff...boom, boom!

16. What do you call a fish with no eyes? A fsh.

17. So I was getting into my car, and this bloke says to me "Can you give
me a lift?" I said "Sure, you look great, the world's your oyster, go for
it.'

18. Apparently, 1 in 5 people in the world are Chinese. There are 5 people
in my family, so it must be one of them. It's either my mum or my Dad, or my
older Brother Colin, or my younger Brother Ho-Cha-Chu? But I think its
Colin.

19. Two fat blokes in a pub, one says to the other "Your round." The other
one says "So are you, you fat bast**d!"

20. Police arrested two kids yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, and
the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.

21. "You know, somebody actually complimented me on my driving today. They
left a little note on the windscreen. It said, 'Parking Fine.' So that was
nice."

22. A man walked into the doctors, he said, "I've hurt my arm in several
places" The doctor said, "Well don't go there anymore"

stockbunny - 30 Sep 2004 16:39 - 15063 of 23498

LOL Jeff! Old but matured with age! (The jokes..the jokes..!)

Ok I'm outta here - stuff to do, have a great evening folks!

Socrates - 30 Sep 2004 17:01 - 15064 of 23498

With everybody disappearing it must be time for Socco to arrive. I'll make a pot of tea.

Priscilla
Oooooooooooh?

Priscilla - 30 Sep 2004 17:15 - 15065 of 23498

Price went up, socks! Now edited to make a full sentence....

Bunny - message on way. In fact two, because message said first attempt was rubbish.

Evening all!

Fundamentalist - 30 Sep 2004 17:20 - 15066 of 23498

Jeff

The chart shows my point exactly!!!
Bunny

thanks for lunch

in a foul mood - off to a house viewing earlier and some silly cow ploughed straight in the back of me - not a happy cookie as the car will now have to go in for repairs, ive got a headache and my neck has all tightened up and the house i went to see was awful!

Socrates - 30 Sep 2004 17:29 - 15067 of 23498

Hello Priscilla, Fundy. I thought i was on my own for a while so I was reading the paper and having a quiet cuppa.

Fundy
Whiplash, do I hear a personal injury claim coming on?

Fundamentalist - 30 Sep 2004 18:45 - 15068 of 23498

No Socs

I dont go in for the compensation culture. im not hurt (in the proper sense) and can get on with my day to day life so no claim from me

chocolat - 30 Sep 2004 19:00 - 15069 of 23498

Hi guys
I'm with you Fundie - I was hit with some force from behind by a police van some years ago. 6 officers spilled out (this was in Albert Square) and people came from everywhere to press their telephone numbers into my hand. I was persuaded by a sergeant who ambled over from Bootle Street to make a statement. They wouldn't even give me a copy of it, let alone divulge the driver's name (who couldn't stop apologising). I did go to hospital, I never intended to claim from them, but as far as I'm concerned, they follow their own rules, so I took the matter up with the Chief Constable.

Socrates - 30 Sep 2004 19:06 - 15070 of 23498

Hey, that's three of us who opted out of the compensation culture, do you both like sherry trifle too?

chocolat - 30 Sep 2004 19:09 - 15071 of 23498

You know I do, Socks. ;)

Socrates - 30 Sep 2004 20:02 - 15072 of 23498

Chocolat
I have a huge bathtub full of it, how about we start at the ends and meet in the middle? I hope you are hungry!

Golddog - 30 Sep 2004 20:10 - 15073 of 23498

Socks you naughty trifle man. :-)


Fundy, sorry to hear about your motor and well done on no claims issue.

Littlewillie, How's your new home coming along?

Golddog, fancy a Bods?

Bunny, can i just have 5 mins playing with your floppy ears - ta.

Priscilla, Do you consider Scottish people to be better than English? just asking! :-)

Last day on the game tomorrow, and thanks for the Team leaders putting in the effort to keep their team in order.

hightone - 30 Sep 2004 20:41 - 15074 of 23498

Order oreder okay GD i will have a bottle of malt GD,OLDsoc how you both doing i hope it is hanging okay ?

HT.
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