Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Hello Gausie! Welcome to the Squelchy Step.

Fred and this thread have both outlived any usefullness they might have had. The mere fact that Fred simply squelches people he doesn't agree with means the whole thing is pointless.

PS: squelched gausy and a few more of his fellow pacl members What the heck is "pacl"? Am I a member of a club I didn't know I was a member of? Do I want to be a member (pace Groucho Marx)?

Hi MightyMicro - I've received a communication from the international brotherhood asking how Fred found out about us. I've forwarded it to you and the other regional pacl exec officers via secure pacl-mail, and have asked to have it added to the pre-election agenda as an urgent security matter.

Do you recall a Douglas Adams character by the name 'Wonko the Sane'? Built his house inside out as an asylum, thereby placing the rest of the word in 'The Asylum'. The sign above the door leading into his house said 'Come Outside'.

In Wonko's world he was the only sane man - he cut off the rest of the world by placing them in The Asylum.

Had the world been a BB he'd have squelched it.

So far as this thread is concerned, I agree it's outlived its natural life. It was relevant and interesting during the Gaza crisis. Now it's just Fred relentlessly spouting off with his venom and half truths and is attracting open racism from posters such as fahel. MAM seems to be taking unecessary risks in keeping it open.

Gausie - are we like the illuminati, then? I've always wanted to be part of a world-wide conspiracy. You will find that one of the great advantages of being parked on the Squelchy Step with the rest of us illuminati is that Fred can't read your posts so you become only an indirect target of his vituperation. However, must dash, I've got a bit of New World Order to sort out.

fahel - 12 Apr 2010 21:22 - 1504 of 1512
Gausie, yuff, I would be honered if I be Fred1new, or part of him, Fred1new is at least says the right thing always, when he says the truth the other does not like it, and this is alwyas the situation when someone blind can not see infornt of him and does not understand the whole issue, he just see himself and his view and want everyone to accept his view.
Fred1new tell Yuff about gaza and west bank, if someone from Gaza lives in west bank both palestinian teritory they will be deportd or put in jail as gaza people should not cross to west bank and vise versa...please send the west bank and gaza map showing yuff where is gaza and where is the west bank and the distance between both areas and the way they cross it.


Fahel you moron-I have lived and worked in that area so please do not preach to me. I work in Arab countries and indeed only returned from one on Friday. Let me tell you Fahel, the Arab man in the street cares a lot less about your Palestinain brothers than you do living in the UK.

Why do you not show your support and go and live with your brothers if you feel so strongly about the Israeli mistreatment.

I am staggered that you and Fred actually believe what you write. The bigotry and false allegations spread by the internet has sadly influenced you. I feel that people have to stand up to bigots and racists like yourself who anonymously publish gutter press articles.

If I saw a moslem man with a beard and head cover walking alongside a moslem woman with a hijab on and they were being abused by street yobs,I would walk over to defend them.

Would you fahel do the same for a rabbi who was being abused on his way to synagogue?? Or would you turn the other cheek as the Eastern europeans did in the holocaust?

There Fahel-a nice simple question for you.

Yuff, If I saw any human being needs help I always do help them, I do not look at his face cloths or beared or ask about his religeon or his country, for your info i help animals birds any living kind not like you, when you pick a on the person just to show off. ( If I saw a moslem man with a beard and head cover walking alongside a moslem woman with a hijab on and they were being abused by street yobs,I would walk over to defend them.) they do not need your help just leave them that will be the big help for them.

Yuff,
(Fahel you moron-I have lived and worked in that area so please do not preach to me. I work in Arab countries and indeed only returned from one on Friday. Let me tell you Fahel, the Arab man in the street cares a lot less about your Palestinain brothers than you do living in the UK.).
Which area did you worked and lived in, specify..is it west bank, Israel , IraQ, Emirates?...and for how long..then I will answer your all question.

Yuff,

You are wasting your time on fahel.

Save your time and ignore him and his comments.

Jordan,Egypt and Morocco.Now answer Fahel

I will Fred.

By the way fahel-Israel is not an arab country but I have worked there too-far and away my best posting in the Mid east.

Also Qatar.

Yuff,

Keep wandering.

That's right, keep wandering Yuff, and just concentrate on what fred1new posts and try to discuss it like a gentleman.

Fahel-I see Fred is a fan of yours!

Fred1new - 13 Apr 2010 17:01 - 1516 of 1520
Yuff,

You are wasting your time on fahel.

Save your time and ignore him and his comments.

fahel-you are not a gentleman from your recent racist posts.

Now tell me fahel-which arab country are you from? Syria?

A simple question and then debate can commence.

Yuff,

I am American, My father is from Jaffa Israel My Mom from Lod Israel ,my wife is British. for more information I traveled all over Arab country, also I once visited Gaza Ramala, Beit Lahem, Jerusalem and many other areas, after the peace treaty singed.

That post was not posted by me I just quoted someone else,you can go back and check it you will see who wrote it. so when I talk on something I know what I am talking about. And I am for sure a Gentleman not acting as a Gentleman.

Yuff,

Fred can post whatever he likes and I do accept whatever he writes on me. because he is a real gentleman. so don't worry and try to act as gentleman learn from Fred.

Boys, Boys,

It is the weekend, have a nice one.


We can fight again next week.

I dont think the situation is solvable ....we made a monster by creating Isreal out of the guilt of the Holocaust..it was a huge mistake but it cant be undone.Should we give the Congo to the Monnies or Scientologists....

Israel was created before the Holocaust, but I do believe it was a mistake. Legally it existed from 1948, but practically it was agreed to from 1917.

Deligitimisation and demonisation rolls on aided by some muslim hatred, the looney left and their so-called liberal camp followers.
How dare you or anyone deny the right of a nation and a people to exist in their own homeland? Such deniers disgust me with their arrogance.
And yes, Israel too has to accept a Palestinian state and the main political parties agree there can only be a two state solution. But only when the Palestinians agree to co-exist peacefully and prove it with a period of not attacking Israel. Trust needs to be built slowly and steadily.
If I were an Israeli I would be very anxious about helping to give birth to a state dedicated to the destruction of Israel.
Yes, of course there are very right wing Israelis as well as very left wing ones and every shade of political belief between the two extremes - just as in most countries.
One problem with the Israeli DEMOCRATIC (and yes it's the only genuine democracy in the Middle East - and hey, try naming a genuine Muslim democracy in the region - hard, huh?)
And while I'm at it, why do people object to a JEWISH state but don't object to the other 22 MUSLIM states in the area? Sounds like the ancient hatred of Jews to me.
But to get back to the "fair" system of proportional representation the Israelis have.
What does it mean? It means small extreme religious parties normally hold the balance of power so the big parties can't form a government without agreeing to their demands. And no, those extreme religious parties don't really want to compromise, just as the extreme Muslims don't either.
So by the way there is a lesson for us not to go down the road of a hung parliament because we will be paralysed if that happens. Just vote Tory or Labour, whichever you think is the lesser of two very unsatisfactory options.
But for these so-called left-liberals in Britain who don't think Israel has a right to exist, tough sh**. Israel is here to stay so stuff your arrogance and gall where it belongs. Whine all you like, feel self-righteous with your pretend indignation, ignore the daily atrocities carried out by the governments of so many Muslim countries. Sit in your comfy armchairs thousands of miles from any existential threat, not needing local bomb shelters, not needing gas masks, not being rocketed and pontificate about whether Israel should exist. Not having the world telling you that you should allow a hostile state to come into being when your country - at its narrowest would only be ten miles wide between that hostile state and the sea.
Yes you sit there with your deeply held anti-Jewish hatreds born of two thousand years of being told by your religion that the Jews "killed God". You don't even realise how deep it is in your psyche and how you sink into the comfort of your easy stereotypes. Yes, it's very easy to hate Muslims, easy to hate Jews, Catholics, any other religion than your own. Or to hate nations, Germany, Japan whoever. The bad people exist in all countries irrespective of "race" or religion. But no, keep it simple, hate countries, racial groups, religions. Maybe you haven't got the brains or sense to understand any different. Think about it. It's people like YOU WHO START AND/OR SUPPORT WARS. Yes, it's YOUR fault there is so much needless suffering and death - and yet the irony is you cannot see that in yourselves.
You know what I would like most of all in this world? For the likes of Richard Dawkins to help people realise that religion is the source of more hatred and war than anything else.
Yes, the extremists of any religion or nationalism are more to blame than anyone else; but they are brainless and blind - that's WHY they are extremists.
But the non-extremists who deny a nation and a people the right to their own country, just like some posters on this thread, they disgust me. And that applies to the Ahmedinejads, the mullahs, the Liebermanns and all the rest of the intolerant. But you know something, the Israelis don't threaten to wipe Iran off the face of the earth, throw them into the sea, wipe out all Muslims. And you know what the overwhelming majority of Israelis want? A two state solution and to live in peace and bring up their children in peace. And many Palestinians also want that.
Most ordinary people on both sides realise that when a land is argued over by two peoples both of whom want to retain their own religious and cultural identities, is needs to be split between them, as in Ireland, Cyprus and so many countries. And that's what the UN did in 1947. The judgement of Solomon. The Arabs didn't accept that and invaded to slaughter the Jews. The rest is history.
Many Arab governments understand that and have made peace with Israel and many others have closer ties than they want publicised.
Still a long way to go, but those that say Isreal shouldn't exist and they have no right to defend their country - they are the lowest of the low.

One last point, I understand the feelings Muslims like fahel have about their brother Muslims. They are sympathetic to people with common values and religious attitudes who they think are being treated badly, but I admit I was deeply saddened to see fahel's recent anti-semitic diatribe.
Try watching PressTV for a few nights, or Hamas TV and you'll soon also be brainwashed into thinking Jews are monkeys and pigs and Nazis.
It takes a certain amount of objectivity, sense and humanity to see beyond the propaganda. What is sad is that the fred1news and to a much lesser extent the haystacks of the world are the ones who are even worse - and yeah yeah yeah, some of their best friends are Jews - yeah yeah yeah - heard that one before - usually from the worst anti-semites - or the ones in the villages of the Pale of Settlement of Germany and Eatern Europe who were the first to volunteer to help the Nazi extermination squads in their "work".
Cue anger, righteous indignation and denial - par for the course...........