Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5b1aeMky90

Exec.

I printed the diatribe, which you pasted to the board earlier, for a closer look. I think it is deliberate Israeli propaganda to deviate public attention from what appears to be the present Israeli governments mission.

It completely ignores the fact that Israel, with the aid of America, during latter years, has completely ignored at least 60 United Nation mandates. Has by force, annexed Palestinians land, destroyed Palestinian habitation, uprooted the indigenous population, imprisoned those who it has defined militant terrorists without trial. Murdered Palestinian leaders, without trial, with their death squads.

Continued to attempt to suffocate Gaza and the West Bank.

Ignoring, as they please, apolitical international humanitarian agencies.

Often an excuse used by Israel for its actions is the Holocaust.

The comparison with the actions of the Nazis in Europe during WW2 is obvious and in many ways apt.

Here are a few points, which I think relevant.

These as approximated figures

Total deaths as the result of WW2 = 72,751,900

Total Holocaust deaths (for argument sake, lets consider them all to be of Jewish Faith) = 5,762,400

The latter approximates to 3.8% of the total deaths of the WW2 period.

The numbers are horrific, the methods of killing horrendous but the media attention given to the holocaust is disproportionate to the deaths of other recognisable groups.

Another point is that, I think if one examines the DNA of the people of Israel, it would be found that it is of various mixes.

The racial mix would be similar to that of Britain, and the countries of Europe and much of the traveled world.

Israel was formed by those who were united by a religion or an ideology and not a specific race, as many would lead us to believe.

Another irritating remark, which was made on another posting, is that the Palestinians were initially just wanderings tribes. I think this remark is applicable to all our ancestors.


The problem in the Middle East needs honest mediation, not violent abuse and attempt to subjugate one population by another.

Eventually, this will occur.

--->EXECLINE

Rather than waste my time ripping that post to shreds in a step by step manner, I just want to comment on one point that immediately jumps up from that post to illustrate the inequality of this conflict and the relative injustice of it all.

The Israeli slanted post asks for....

The return of Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit, seized in a Hamas attack on Israeli soil and held hostage, lacking any contact with international humanitarian groups.


...and hasn't Israeli propaganda made the most of this one single prisoner held by the Palesinian side? Perhaps they might like to trade him for the 10,756 Palestinian prisoners the Israelis hold in their jails (as of Nov 2008), many if not most, of whom were seized on Palestinian soil (the little they have left them with).

Regards,

THE COUNT!

There is a very intersting book called The Thirteenth Tribe. I covers a period of the Khazar Empire in eastern Eirope, somehwere near modern Turkey. There was a king there who had conquered various other states and wanted to bring them all together.

He reasoned that a common religion would be a good idea. He looked at various religions and chose Judaism. These converted Jews form the basis of eastern european Jews (Ashkenazim) when they moved to Polend after being concquered by Genghis Khan. The other section of Jews are Sephardim, who lived in Spain for many years and are the true ancestors of Israel.

The eastern european Jews are therefore not really Jews at all in the strict sense as you cannot be Jewish unless your mother is Jewish. Therefore the bulk of Jews now living in Israel have no legitimate claim to live there.

The writer of the book, Arthur Koestler is himself an Ashkenazim Jew.

Brocks, Thank you for your e-mail of support sent via Moneyam. I agree with some of the sentiments.

I not sure how you transgressed and appear banned.

I wonder if I will suffer the same fate or fete.

Regards

Fred

The cartoon manif this was a tennis match I would say you were 2 sets down 5-0 down in the thirdserving to stay in the match at love fortysecond serve with a broken racketand youve just developed cramp.good post THE COUNT

Tabby - you'd also say that MDX will be 35p by xmas. And MKS is a long.

And as for those poor oppressed turks who the greeks grabbed part of cyprus from - they have nothing whatsoever to do with this thread.

--->HAYSTACK

The Khazars and how they are related to modern day Askenazim is yet another piece of 'history' that has been kept quiet in certain quarters....for quite obvious reasons.

So, we now have the absurd situation of converts to a particular religion (now diluted down to just an associate culture for many who no longer follow and practice the actual religion itself), claiming they are of the same bloodline as those that God 'promised' a land to over 2,000 years ago... and now having more claim to a land on which the indigenous population have been forced out of, whether by fear, disinformation or whatever other reason.

And as a result, since its creation, we have had a very unstable region which, from time to time, can go as far as to threaten a world war at worst. And the wretched indigenous peoples of the region, as well as living in terrible conditions akin to a prison camp, with no ease of movement whatsoever, are labelled as terrorists by those who created their state from acts of terror inthe first place, and who can now afford the luxury of fighting a 'non terrorist' war because they are armed to the teeth with the most modern and destructive armaments known to man supplied to them free of charge by the most powerful nation on Earth....to the tune of billions of dollars every year.

I'd just like to also add that since 1967, this 'fair minded' state that is merely being targetted by 'terrorists' for no reason but that they seek its destruction (with home made rockets), has demolished 18,147 (probably a lot more now) Palestinian homes against ZERO demolitions by Palestinians of Israeli homes.

I can't help it if somehting just sticks in my throat when I read all this crap and those that somehow seek to justify it.

Regards,

THE COUNT!

The cartoon boy to be precise I have sold some mks and said the price will slide towards the end of JanuaryI cant remember stating mdx will be any pricethats not my stylebut now you mention it 11 months to increase by 28pnot out of the question with Barry at the helm..gameset and match.thats another racket gone bust and try Crampex Tablets!

30/06/08 - you were touting a quid tabby.

Regards

It's easy to always be right when you forget every time you're wrong, huh Tabs?

Dilpost it.. lets us not talk about it on this thread.but you know my views!

Apologies to fred..

Gausie and Dailos, your postings attempts to divert attention from the argument.

Why is it necessary to shoot the messenger, rather read the message.

The same level to which some of the media is dragging general politics to.

Not trying to be pompous, but I am a little fed up with this manner of discussing events.


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Dailos.....thanks, really funny......!.....much more interesting that the other crap that has been posted here...!.

You don't need to try Fred ;-)

Required field, Dailos, You don't have to read the thread! Possibly you don't understand the contents of the postings of others as well as mine.

Such is life.

can't work out who spouts the most garbage on here, but certainly halifax's simplistic and idiotic proposal for a solution takes some beating

Well that's ok then ... so long as you're not thinking of beating this puppy ;)

Tabby - was this you?



... and does it include pineapple?