Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Precisely.
What do you anti-semites expect the Israelis to do?
Roll over and be slaughtered.
You'd love that wouldn't you...........
I'll tell you just one reason why haymaker and fred are anti-semites...........you don't condemn all the states which torture and imprision their own subjects......no you are strangely silent..........all of them states UNTHREATENED by destruction by their neighbours........no you scream your anti-semitism and are obsessed by it........maybe you've got Obsessive Compulsion Disorder or maybe you don't simply disagree with a particular government's policies but are rabid anti-semites trying as most do to hide behind a cloak of "reason".

There it is again

"What do you anti-semites expect the Israelis to do?"

Being anti-Israel has nothing to do with being anti-semitic.

I do condemn other states as well as Israel. They are a rogue state just as much as Iran, North Korea, China etc.

Anti-Israel comments are always countered by the cry "antI-semetic". It doesn't wash any more. I have no complaint if you want to falsely accuse me of anti-semitism. I have seen that used time and time again to supress comment about Israel There are plenty of Jews who also dislike that attitude. I know Jews, who don't associate themselves with Israel at all and wished it didn't exist.

There are prominent Jews, who condemn Israel for its behaviour Are they anti-semitic?

As I've already said if you had taken off your dark glasses and actually bothered to read what I've said, it is perfectly legitimate to criticise the policies of the government of Israel. That does NOT make someone anti-semitic.
So China is a "rogue" state is it? Don't be ludicrous. What underlies that statement of yours is that you don't like the policies of the govt of China - that I would agree with you about as far as some things are concerned.
I'll tell you how I define a "rogue" state (even though you are so small minded you lap up the latest fashionable word "rogue"), that's a state which constantly threatens to slaughter and wipe out its neighbours.
So, yes, North Korea and Iran, and also Hamas, Hizbollah and the putative Palestinian state. But you don't condemn them, do you. No, just Israel.....that's a sign of your nazi Jew hating mind set. You and fred. Armchair pundits who have never lived or had their children live under the constant threat of destruction and suicide bombers.
Do you say other countries should not exist.no, only Israel............you are plain and simple a anti-semite......as is fred.

I do condemn the Palestinians and some of their behavior. But, you must remember that their land has been taken by Israel and now built on illegally by Israel. They have no recourse in this matter. The UN has declared such building as illegal and has made numerous resolutions against Israel, which have all been ignored. I chose the words rogue state as I thought it might resonate with you. Do I condemn firing rockets into Israel? Probably not, as their alternative is to be ignored.

Any negotiations have to be done on Israel's terms. These terms are influenced by the ultra religious right wing of Israel's coalition government. The terms need to be a stop to building illegally, dismantling settlements, returning illegally taken land, giving back areas of Jerusalem etc. Unless those things are done then I have no sympathy for Israel.

"Do you say other countries should not exist.no, only Israel............you are plain and simple a anti-semite......as is fred."

First of all, I have never said that Israel should not exist. I think it should not have existed, which is different. It does now exist and that is not going to change. However, even if I or someone else were to say that it should not exist then it would not make us anti-semites. It would be anti-Israel or possibly anti-Zionist. The anti-semitism aspect is just in your tortured paranoid mind.

Anti semitism' is not a very useful term, especially as Arabs are also Semitic people.

Anti-semitism is variously defined as a prejudice against or hostility towards Jews, often rooted in hatred of their ethnic background, culture, and/or religion.

On that basis, I am certainly not anti-semitic. Perhaps you need a new phrase. When you come up with one, I will tell you if I think I fit the description.

"But, you must remember that their land has been taken by Israel "

that's what happens when you wage aggressive war and lose

again and again

wanna try again ?

lol

If Israel view it that way then it will never stop.

Anyway, the land was taken before the war.

ITL and Cam,

I don't think that you are representative of Israeli, or Jewish opinion in general.

I hope that you are not.

I think the way in which you convey your personal views are alienating to the majority of people, and certainly not conducive to an equitable solution of the problems for the people of Israel and those of the states surroundings it.

The present primitive mantra and belief in an "Eye for an Eye", which seems to be believe by some of the present Israeli Administration will not resolve the problems.

It is due to this "macho" positioning, by both sides, which is entrenching the problem in the psyche of the next generations.

Pompous self-righteous drivel.
The Israelis pulled out from their settlements in Gaza (quite rightly, they should never have been built - no, Israel is not perfect - why did you expect it to be - no other nation is - but then it's Israel you always attack - a typical sign of Jew haters) and what was the result? Rocket attacks, suicide bombers etc.
How can anyone expect them to give up most of the West Bank to a Palestinian state unless there is a cast iron military guarantee that the same and worse won't happen? When it does then there will be peace.
Israel made peace with Egypt and part of the deal was to return the Sinai which Egypt lost when they attacked Israel yet again.
Done deal which proves that what Israel wants is peace and secure borders. Just as they have always said.

In the meantime you and your type can rage and rant against Israel and Jews. It makes no difference.
You merely demonstrate the sort of people you are. Fillled with hate and propaganda. And yeah yeah yeah the same old "but some of my best friends are Jews" cra* and "some Jews are unhappy with Israel".
No nation, no people, is monolithic - views vary - AS IN ALL COUNTRIES.
Get it?
No I thought not.
Why, because you are so deeply prejudiced and that's what makes haystacker and fred what you are.

Over the next 2-3years we will see who is right.

Haystack - 20 Apr 2010 15:15 - 1556 of 1568
I see no anti-semites on this thread. I see anti-Israelis. Why is it that only Israeli supporters bring anti-semitism into the the argument? It has no bearing on it. Israel is a rogue state similar to many others.

Being anti-Israel is an acceptable form of being anti Jewish.

So much inaccuarcy being wtitten on this thread it makes me want to weep in desperation for the future of my children.

Israel is a democracy-not a rogue state. In your minds it is a rogue stae because it just happens to suit your arguments.

Whenevr there is an internatinal disaster the Israelis are first to send medical help . Irrespective of who is harmed. If it were to happen in Syria they would offer help.

Israel opens its arms in friendship to whoever-all they want is to be received in peace.

"a typical sign of Jew haters"

and

"Being anti-Israel is an acceptable form of being anti Jewish."

and

"rage and rant against Israel and Jews"

What a load of rubbish. The anti-Isael means anti-Jew is a common tactic ti silence opposition and it doesn't work any more. No one is ranting against Jews at all. The use of anti-Jew is just a trick to abert attention.

You can call me what you want, it doesn't make it so. You will have to try something other than anti-Jew as it doesn't fit.

Listen to the link after the music has finished. Then lets have a debate.

http://www.galganov.com/includes/player.asp?id=1211

An ex Israeli government minister talking about using "the anti-semitic trick"
to stop criticism of Israel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUGVPBO9_cA

Shulamit Aloni‎, born 29 November 1928 is an Israeli politician and left-wing activist. She is a prominent member of the Israeli peace camp, founded the Ratz party and was leader of the Meretz party and served as Minister of Education from 1992 to 1993.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shulamit_Aloni

I rarely get involved in this debate and one of the reasons is precisely this one. I may have a view, but do I really want to spend my time defending myself against groundless and upsetting accusations. It is the 'race card' strategy and it is very effective. The best line of defence is attack, as they say.

Even for the moment assuming that it were true that everyone not agreeing 100% with Israel is actually anti-Jew, you need to consider how giving prominence to that view actually helps. To me it just implies the strong possibility that you've run out of arguments and have resorted to name calling.

When I read stuff like "Remember-there is only one person in this world that wil stand and support a Jew-that is another Jew" - making that statement cannot possibly help your case.

If it's true, then either every single gentile in the world is prejudiced, which is unlikely, or they have good reason for their position. Personally I don't think the statement can possibly be true, but the only thing you have achieved by making it is raising the second question.

I think that the only prejudice you have to fight is that Israel is seen as a civilised nation. As such, popular opinion would be biased towards you behaving ultra-responsibly towards people running towards you with bombs strapped to their waist, who would not be seen as being as civilised as you. So, continuing to restate that you have a perfect right to destroy them is not going to help you win the argument. In the same way as I don't like some of the characters from the local housing estate, but the answer is not to burn their houses down, nor to label as anti-posh anyone who dares query my predilection for arson.

Hays - Why do you even bother? These guys are more to be pitied than worth arguing with.

The problem is that when people criticise Israel then they just get shouted down. The reality is that plenty of people are critical of Israel. the use of the anti Jews comments muddies the argument.

The Uk has been fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere recently. The cry is that we are anti muslim. It is exactly the same as the supporters of Israel say. There are people who live in the UK and people who live in Israel who use try and use the slur. It is the same as muslims who live in the UK calling our government anti-muslim. It suggests that the supporters of Israel are as ignorant as the ones who cry anti-muslim.

No, you don't like it when you get answered back in the same way you shout your hate.
And the more you two spew out your venom, the more I'll respond.
Unless of course you succeed in getting me banned for vigorously responding to your hateful, mindless, self-righteous, arrogant propaganda.
What sort of person says a nation should not exist........just who do you think you are........you've got to laugh.....the sheer overblown pomposity........it's funny.
Tell me, aren't you just the sort of person the Nazis recruited to "work" in the death camps.......Israel has no right to exist.......the Jews have no right to exist.....not a big leap is it....and you claim not to be anti-semitic, you and that other caricature figure...

ITL.

Print out post 1576, and then, if you know five individuals who you consider to be friends, give them a copy of it, and ask their opinion of its contents.

Try it!

What a nutcase.

In The Land of the B: Aren't you rather overstating your position? If you want to get banned, I don't doubt you've now got enough yellow cards with the moderators. You say the other parties to the discussion are really guilty of being "just the sort of person the Nazis recruited to "work" in the death camps......." -- the others might feel a tad put out by that. I know I would.

Bit OTT, perhaps?