cynic
- 20 Oct 2007 12:12
rather than pick out individual stocks to trade, it can often be worthwhile to trade the indices themselves, especially in times of high volatility.
for those so inclined, i attach below charts for FTSE and FTSE 250, though one might equally be tempted to trade Dow or S&P, which is significantly broader in its coverage, or even NASDAQ
for ease of reading, i have attached 1 year and 3 month charts in each instance
Toya
- 31 Mar 2008 15:01
- 1605 of 21973
Cynic, from my (limited) observations, I tend to think that it's at least as important to observe the change in price before the due time of an announcement as afterwards.
ptholden
- 31 Mar 2008 15:05
- 1606 of 21973
Toya, there are often some silly games played before announcements, especially on FX; quite often the price is walked in either direction to allow closure of existing positions or to finesse a new position. Personally I never try to pre-empt the market nor read anything into movements beforehand.
bhunt1910
- 31 Mar 2008 15:06
- 1607 of 21973
Thats better - things have calmed down again - phew
ptholden
- 31 Mar 2008 15:14
- 1608 of 21973
Strangely I'm looking to go long on the DOW, might have just missed my opportunity (or not as the case might be)
ptholden
- 31 Mar 2008 15:16
- 1609 of 21973
Sod it!!
ptholden
- 31 Mar 2008 15:52
- 1610 of 21973
Think the DOW is impossible to trade at the moment over short time frames, keeps putting on 20 and then losing 20, best to stay out for now methinks, unless you're taking a longer view.
bhunt1910
- 31 Mar 2008 15:57
- 1611 of 21973
Just closed my short on the FTSE - its bouncing al over atm - made 30 points so ok.
My gut feel is that it will drop lower towards the close - but for once I want to hold onto my profit.
ptholden
- 31 Mar 2008 15:57
- 1612 of 21973
Great, close a long at a loss, 5 minutes later it gets a move on :(
bhunt1910
- 31 Mar 2008 16:22
- 1613 of 21973
opened a long at 5690.
I was going to sit on my hands for the rest of trhe evening !!!!
ptholden
- 31 Mar 2008 16:30
- 1614 of 21973
Wall St now positive which makes closing my losing trade even more galling, especially as I closed another one further down for a small profit. Should have stuck to my guns. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
bhunt1910
- 31 Mar 2008 16:56
- 1615 of 21973
I have found that the market is swinging wildly at the moment and it seems that no matter where you open a long or a short, at some time during the day you will be both massively in the red or massively in the black at some point in time.
The long that I opened this morning lost 50 points before it recovered and i ended up closing with a similar gain.
ptholden
- 31 Mar 2008 17:03
- 1616 of 21973
Not always the case though, dangerous game to assume it will come back to you.
cynic
- 31 Mar 2008 17:04
- 1617 of 21973
am still long both FTSE and Dow .... will continue to watch and may well close part or even all during the course of the evening, not least because i am playing golf early tomorrow and shall not be able to monitor until about noon.
Toya
- 31 Mar 2008 17:24
- 1618 of 21973
I'm back - and was taken out by the low spike that just barely touched my stop loss. Will have to make it up tonight, what a bore.
Pth: I do agree with your comment in 1606 above, re silly games and positions before an announcement, but it can give one the opportunity to ride on the back of that - bit like riding the crest of a wave; not that I'm a surfer!
bhunt1910
- 31 Mar 2008 17:37
- 1619 of 21973
..more like a roller coaster at the moment. Still long on the FTSE - but marginal gain
bhunt1910
- 31 Mar 2008 17:41
- 1620 of 21973
Cynic - question for you - serious.
You commented above that you were long on both the FTSE and the Dow. Why? - is there a benefit in doing both as generally it appears that one follows the other - albeit that the Dow seems more volatile - too volatile for me at times ?,
Just wondered ??
cynic
- 31 Mar 2008 17:45
- 1621 of 21973
the two do not necessarily move entirely in step and it seemed a good idea at the time ...... however, shall prob shut off 50% of my FTSE position before i leave the office ..... another modest profit, but thank you very much! ..... Dow i shall prob stay with during the evening .... if it finishes strong, then may open up new FTSE position when Dow closes, on the basis that the indicated rise for London tomorrow will be understated ..... doesn't always work out that way, as F/E can ambush everything and/or bad news after hours in USA
ptholden
- 31 Mar 2008 17:56
- 1622 of 21973
Considering a short if it gets to 12300, only considering though;)
bhunt1910
- 31 Mar 2008 17:56
- 1623 of 21973
Thanks for that - no criticism implied -just trying to understand why you had both. I am not confident enough yet to do more than play with the dow as it does seem extremely volatile - and I am not always nimble enough to react to its changes of direction.
cynic
- 31 Mar 2008 18:02
- 1624 of 21973
you also need to be monitoring constantly ikf you are not to frighten yourself ..... or have limits and stops, though it can be very tiresome to find one shut out preamturely in either direction
btw, sold 50% of FTSE .... diddy profit (98 clear), but still cash in the bank