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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Fred1new - 05 May 2010 18:17 - 1732 of 6906




Earlier, I receive this interesting E-mail from Gausie, whom I squelched over twelve months ago, as I thought his posting generally abusive about me, and equally abusive to others, when he disagreed with them. I saw no reason to be observant of what I saw, as deliberate attempts to be unpleasant.

A short time ago, I received the E-mail below from him, suggesting that I had made veiled threats to other BB posters.


I am not aware of making any such threatening remark, within the last twenty years or so, but I am interested to know, if anybody has felt personally threatened by any of my postings, on this thread, or any other Moneyam thread.


If so, and you draw my attention to such, I will reconsider the remarks.


However, I consider the content of the E-mail (see below), is deliberately unpleasant and abusive and is covertly threatening.


It seems to me that some posters are intolerant to views, or opinions, which do not concur with their own.

I wonder what the intentions of the E-mail was and whether others have received similar.

One can see why there is so much violence in the world.


(Of course, my opinion is not necessarily correct.)

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In The Land of the B - 05 May 2010 18:45 - 1733 of 6906

Oh Nick (fred), the martyr rolling his eyes heavenwards going for the sympathy vote with his beatific smile.
I have to agree with the first line of that email. Actually that's quite polite. considering.
I don't know if you have made veiled threats, oh holy one, as I said I haven't looked at all your excrement.

As for haymaker, you are entitled to your opinions but Israel does not look one hundredth as ridiculous as you do.

As for fahel, he's just a fully paid up member of the propaganda machine.

yuff, is, as always, correct.
Poor West Bank economy, booming and expanding at 8% per year now that their government is trying to tackle extremism and concentrating on their people's economy and welfare............that's the untold story.

Fred1new - 05 May 2010 20:12 - 1734 of 6906

"The ones who stayed were afforded the same peace, civility, and citizenship rights as everyone else."

Are you certain that the above is true?

It is strange that others disagree.

Camelot - 05 May 2010 20:32 - 1735 of 6906

who disagrees ?

MightyMicro - 05 May 2010 21:39 - 1736 of 6906

fahel:

as head of the US Central Command General David Petraeus testified before Congress in March this year.

"Because Israel controls our Congress, the president is essentially powerless to confront the forces that manoeuvre behind the scenes to thwart any US government, Republican or Democrat, from moving towards a just and balanced resolution of the Israel-Palestinian conflict."


They way you have edited this makes it appear as though this statement was made by General Petraeus. He said no such thing. The statement was made by William A Cook.

Your manipulation of this already rabid anti-Israeli piece is beneath contempt but sadly typical of your ilk.

Withdraw, Sir.

hilary - 06 May 2010 08:09 - 1737 of 6906

Withdraw, Sir.

Isn't that what the actress allegedly said to the bishop?

:o)

Isaacs - 06 May 2010 08:21 - 1738 of 6906

No it was Fred talking to Gordon.

hilary - 06 May 2010 08:39 - 1739 of 6906

No, that was "Bend over further please, Sir".

MightyMicro - 06 May 2010 09:19 - 1740 of 6906

Up pops our Hil and it all gets smutty. ;-)

Fred1new - 06 May 2010 09:57 - 1741 of 6906

Hilary, another one of you little phantasies!

Your really do have such a fantastic imagination.

Why don't you hold Issacs's hand and help him out?

Have "fun" together.












In The Land of the B - 06 May 2010 10:57 - 1742 of 6906

"Withdraw, Sir.

Isn't that what the actress allegedly said to the bishop?"

Bit out of date, that.
It's what the choir boy said to the priest.

Nick,
Well at least she has an imagination and wit (new word for you, check it out on dictionary.com) and doesn't regurgitate propaganda and hatred like you and your two camp followers.

There seems to be a suggestion that Gordon Brown is homosexual......that's not a crime anymore, so leave him alone.
Just like Sarah does.
No wonder she always has that pained expression on her face.

Haystack - 06 May 2010 11:12 - 1743 of 6906

Wasn't it what the boy said to the Rabbi?

In The Land of the B - 06 May 2010 11:19 - 1744 of 6906

Could well be ! :)

yuff - 06 May 2010 14:34 - 1745 of 6906

fahel-fact not fiction.

90th ANNIVERSARY OF THE SAN REMO CONFERENCE

Granting the right under international law for Jews to settle anywhere in western Palestine - the area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea


On the 24-25 of April 2010, the European Coalition for Israel conducted a number of educational seminars delivered by Eli Hertz from the United States and Solomon Benzimra from Canada . It was followed by a ceremony held in San Remo at the same house (Villa Devanche) where the signing of the San Remo declaration took place in 1920.


The event attracted politicians as well as grassroots activists from around Europe, the U.S., and Canada. Member of Knesset and Deputy Speaker Danny Danon also attended and delivered greetings from Jerusalem.


At the conclusion of the commemoration, the following statement was released:


"Reaffirming the importance of the San Remo Resolution of April 25, 1920 - which included the Balfour Declaration in its entirety - in shaping the map of the modern Middle East, as agreed upon by the Supreme Council of the Principal Allied Powers (Britain, France, Italy, Japan, and the United States acting as an observer), and later approved unanimously by the League of Nations; the Resolution remains irrevocable, legally binding and valid to this day.


"Emphasizing that the San Remo Resolution of 1920 recognized the exclusive national Jewish rights to the Land of Israel under international law, on the strength of the historical connection of the Jewish people to the territory previously known as Palestine.


"Recalling that such a seminal event as the San Remo Conference of 1920 has been forgotten or ignored by the community of nations, and that the rights it conferred upon the Jewish people have been unlawfully dismissed, curtailed and denied.


"Asserting that a just and lasting peace, leading to the acceptance of secure and recognized borders between all States in the region, can only be achieved by recognizing the long established rights of the Jewish people under international law."


The outcome of the declaration gave birth to the "Mandate for Palestine," an historical League of Nations document that laid down the Jewish legal right to settle anywhere in western Palestine, a 10,000 square-miles the area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.


Fifty-one member countries - the entire League of Nations - unanimously declared on July 24, 1922:


"Whereas recognition has been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country."


Jews are in the Land of Israel as of right and not on sufferance.


It is important to point out that political right to self-determination as a polity for Arabs, was guaranteed by the same League of Nations in four other mandates - in Lebanon and Syria [The French Mandate], Iraq, and later Trans-Jordan [The British Mandate].


Any attempt to negate the Jewish people's right to Palestine-Eretz-Israel, and to deny them access and control over the area designated for the Jewish people by the League of Nations is a serious infringement of international law.

yuff - 06 May 2010 14:38 - 1746 of 6906

:)

Haystack - 06 May 2010 15:26 - 1747 of 6906

The San Remo treaty specifically notes that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine" - but says nothing about any "political" rights of the Arabs living there. And that is the problem. The Palestinians were not sunsulted. It was just decided by Great Britain, France, Italy and Japan. the US were just observors. It was a political stitch up and the Palestinians should be free to ignore it.

In The Land of the B - 06 May 2010 16:40 - 1748 of 6906

Never let facts get in the way of opinions LOL

Some people are quick to condemn Israel for alleged breaches of international law, but "Palestinians should be free to ignore it."
Why is that then? Because Israel is a nation mainly of Jews?

Galloway-esque and Livingstone-esque
Anti-semitism has many masks, but they always slip.
Now you can plainly see people for what they really are!

Gausie - 06 May 2010 16:56 - 1749 of 6906

ITLB

You make a good point.

Right up to the bit where you wreck it again with your reds under the bed paranoia.

Haystack - 06 May 2010 17:05 - 1750 of 6906

I don't see the San Remo as international law. It was a con set up by a handful of countries. The League of Nations was a waste of space.

If we are talking about International Laws, especially ones that have more legitimacy in terms of countries supporting them, then what about all the United Nations resolutions that Israel has ignored. It would seem that you are somewhat selective about the laws that you want to support!

If you want to compare any country with the Nazis then Israel looks like the best candidate

Here are a few

Resolution 106: condemns Israel for Gaza raid.
Resolution 111: condemns Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people.
Resolution 127: recommends Israel suspend its no-man's zone' in Jerusalem.
Resolution 162: urges Israel to comply with UN decisions.
Resolution 171: determines flagrant violations by Israel in its attack on Syria.
Resolution 228: censures Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control.
Resolution 237: urges Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees.
Resolution 248: condemns Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan.
Resolution 250: calls on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem.
Resolution 251: deeply deplores Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of
Resolution 252: declares invalid Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital.
Resolution 256: condemns Israeli raids on Jordan as flagrant violation.
Resolution 259: deplores Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation.
Resolution 262: condemns Israel for attack on Beirut airport.
Resolution 265: condemns Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan.
Resolution 267: censures Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem.
Resolution 270: condemns Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon.
Resolution 271: condemns Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem.
Resolution 279: demands withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon.
Resolution 280: condemns Israeli's attacks against Lebanon.
Resolution 285: demands immediate Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon.
Resolution 298: deplores Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem.
Resolution 313: demands that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon.
Resolution 316: condemns Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon.
Resolution 317: deplores Israel's refusal to release.
Resolution 332: condemns Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon.
Resolution 337: condemns Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty.
Resolution 347: condemns Israeli attacks on Lebanon.
Resolution 425: calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon.
Resolution 427: calls on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
Resolution 444: deplores Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces.
Resolution 446: determines that Israeli settlements are a serious obstruction to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
Resolution 450: calls on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon.
Resolution 452: calls on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories.
Resolution 465: deplores Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist its settlements program.
Resolution 467: strongly deplores Israel's military intervention in Lebanon.
Resolution 468: calls on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return.
Resolution 469: strongly deplores Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians.
Resolution 471: expresses deep concern at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
Resolution 476: reiterates that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are null and void.
Resolution 478: censures (Israel) in the strongest terms for its claim to Jerusalem in its Basic Law.
Resolution 484: declares it imperative that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors.
Resolution 487: strongly condemns Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility.
Resolution 497: decides that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights
is null and void and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith.
Resolution 498: calls on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon.
Resolution 501: calls on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops.
Resolution 509: demands that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon.
Resolution 515: demands that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in.
Resolution 517: censures Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon.
Resolution 518: demands that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon.
Resolution 520: condemns Israel's attack into West Beirut.
Resolution 573: condemns Israel vigorously for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters.
Resolution 587: takes note of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw.
Resolution 592: strongly deplores the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops.
Resolution 605: strongly deplores Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians.
Resolution 607: calls on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
Resolution 608: deeply regrets that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians.
Resolution 636: deeply regrets Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
Resolution 641: deplores Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
Resolution 672: condemns Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram Al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
Resolution 673: deplores Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations.
Resolution 681: deplores Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians.
Resolution 694: deplores Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
Resolution 726: strongly condemns Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
Resolution 799: strongly condemns Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.


Here are a few more

Palestinian Refugees have the right to return to their homes in Israel.

General Assembly Resolution 194, Dec. 11, 1948

"Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible."

Israel's occupation of Palestine is Illegal.

Security Council Resolution 242, Nov. 22, 1967

Calls for the withdrawal of Israeli forces from territories occupied in the war that year and "the acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every state in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."

Israel's settlements in Palestine are Illegal.

Security Council Resolution 446, March 22, 1979

"Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East."

Palestinian have the right to Self-Determination.

General Assembly Resolution 3236, November 22, 1974

Affirms "the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine...to self-determination without external interference" and "to national independence and sovereignty."

Reaffirmation of a Palestinian State

Security Council Resolution 1397, March 12, 2002

Affirms "a vision of a region where two states, Israel and Palestine, live side by side within secure and recognized borders."

MightyMicro - 06 May 2010 17:08 - 1751 of 6906

Gausie: Galloway and Livingstone are hardly under the bed . . . they're on top of it, jumping up and down. :-)
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