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PCM..Deals in China (PCM)     

dynamicsoul - 17 Feb 2005 16:11

Time to stand up and be counted in my opinion..

news is turning positive here...wontg be long before sentiment drives this one up..........

CWMAM - 22 Jul 2005 12:03 - 174 of 572

DRIVA
I am holding a load of these 3000000+
Happy days!!!!!

driver - 22 Jul 2005 12:09 - 175 of 572

moneyplus - 22 Jul 2005 12:09 - 176 of 572

Alan it can't fall too far or it would be zero!! CWMAM--we'll catch you up soon I enjoy counting future gains in 000000 s!

driver - 22 Jul 2005 12:10 - 177 of 572

CWMAM
So youre a multi then.

driver - 22 Jul 2005 20:34 - 178 of 572

A bit disappointing sp rise seeing its the news we have been waiting for, may be it has to be digested, revenue worked out, ect, ect? I havent looked at it yet myself.

moneyplus - 22 Jul 2005 21:48 - 179 of 572

don't think its on many people's radar yet even though it's a main market share it's lowly price means it is an undiscovered gem IMO! plenty of time to accumulate some more even though they put out such regular announcements. interesting they heavily mark down the sell price at the end of each day-wonder why?

driver - 22 Jul 2005 22:17 - 180 of 572

mp
I agree, undiscovered gem it is, I just printed out and read all the news, its looking good, as you say still time to accumulate.

moneyman - 22 Jul 2005 22:17 - 181 of 572

We have a seller and until they are finished we won't see the full benefit (ref 70M sell)

squidd - 23 Jul 2005 10:29 - 182 of 572

I'm also a potential multi-millionaire on the back of this one and hope to join the island celebrations a couple of years hence.
The latest AGM report reads even better if you look back at last years annual report, which is still available on-line: the change in tone and sentiment is quite dramatic and undoubtedly reflects a new found confidence in the management. I think they still have funding problems but seem to be steering their way through and now are presumably enjoying improved cash flow.
It's all a gamble, in this case with lots of upside I think.
sd.

driver - 23 Jul 2005 20:12 - 183 of 572

Please don't ask to see my figures and do not take this as gospel, but from my part I will be adding to this stock, bareing in mind it will not be up and running till the end of next year and I have based the profit on the UK (profit verses viewers) format, the Potential viewers that PCM will expect from China, Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan could be ten times this 60m x 10 So this is at the low end. Also the license fees to sit-up of US $14.0m about 8m plus royalties totaling US $6.4m about 3.7m have to be found (loan) and paid back out of profits over a period of time.
The expected EPS X 20 (mid range for a tec stock) gives me an sp of about 3.70p, like I said it could be ten time this with the extra viewers, in what time scale who knows? But its looking good.

jimmy b - 24 Jul 2005 17:06 - 184 of 572

Been reading through this driver ,, very interesting...

stockdog - 24 Jul 2005 19:45 - 185 of 572

driver - I admire your enthusiasm and courage in equal measure, having drawn my attention to this company from the SEO thread.

Forgive me for not reading the whole thread, and therefore possibly duplicating previous thoughts, but I've spent the afternoon reading the RNS and accounts for the last 12 months and a few facts stand out.

1) An accumulated loss of 82m at 31st december 2004.

2.a) Interest at LIBOR + 9% on US$14m loan from its major shareholder = approx. UK1m p.a. I've seen companies before that need to borrow more than the interest charge each time it becomes payable - not a pretty sight for long, eventually!

2.b) Need to borrow $14m plus $6.4m for the sit-up deal - another 1.6m p.a. in interest, assuming a similar rate to above.

3) The 28 month royalty of 3.7m - taken at the same rate as the prospective 2%, is equivalent to turn over of 79,286,000 p.a. from these format rights. Is this realistic - reaching this target over how long?

4) The turnover on continuing activities to 31st December 2004 was a mere 345,000.

In spite of the breathless sequence of announcements during 2005 which all look terrific and the claimed "double-digit month on month growth in sales" (sadly, no numbers mentioned which they could easily have done), there seems an awful long way to go to a cash positive, let alone profitable business. The only figure I would ask you for is your estimate of gross sales for 2006 (first full year of all recent deals) - do you have any evidence for it? Does anyone, even the directors?

I'm not knocking this share - just asking. It is very sexy, being priced at 0.18 offer as I write, and it always looks very satisfying to own millions of shares for a normal portfolio allocation of money, BUT . . . . unless you have some very persuasive facts as to turnover, I would have to wait until at least interims demonstrate how well we are heading in the right direction on the hard numbers. Is that very wimpy of me?

Good luck and let me know if I've missed the blinding light on the road to Beijing!

sd

driver - 24 Jul 2005 22:01 - 186 of 572

I am obviously going to come up with some thing more concrete to convince such a master of stocks, I will give it another look, thanks for the look in for now.

ahoj - 25 Jul 2005 09:07 - 187 of 572

stockdog,
QXL did- so PCM might be able to do.

I sold 3.6k QXL shares at 315p and lost about 3k. QXL is over 3600p now. I can't understand why I listened to some of the messages here.

driver - 25 Jul 2005 09:34 - 188 of 572

stockdog
Based on Sit-Up's achieved turnover for the year ended 31 December 2004 of 206.1 million and profit before tax of 11.5 million, there live channels have a collective customer base of over 2 million people and its channels are watched each month by in excess of 5 million viewers. PCM are going to operate in China, Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan. I am sure the Chinese and Asian people are going to love the bid up format, so as I said before these figures above could be multiplied ten fold the revenue will take time to come through though, the future is looking good over the next two to five years.

stockdog - 25 Jul 2005 19:38 - 189 of 572

206m out of the UK is quite some turnover and, as you say, the Chinese are probably fond of the format being inveterate gamblers and bargain chasers, so we are always told. So X 10 = 2bn turnover - that's starting to look profitable, I have to admit.

Their shareholder must believe in something to keep lending so much cash to them.

sd

dynamicsoul - 26 Jul 2005 00:07 - 190 of 572

Its been a while since I dropped in and a lot has gone on.

So lets get our facts on the table on this one:

There are a lot of people who remember the bad old days at PCM, and will be very wary of punting anymore money on this stock.
But what people have to realise is this IS NOT the PCM they remember - THIS IS A NEW COMPANY WITH NEW GOALS AND POTENTIAL - the appointment of Steven Goodman as Executive Director, Group Legal Advisor and Robert C. Harris, Jr as Non Executive Director late last year are the main reasons behind the turnaround in fortunes of PCM.These appointments were done for a reason under recommendation, and are absolutely essential for PCMs new enviroment.

Since their arrival we now have a distribution network, once complete (sit up) will not be rivalled by anyone in Asia. Asia market = x 10 UK market (at least)

In addition to Responze TV they have recently added to their distribution network:
Asias largest health and beauty chain - Watsons
two major distribution agreements with Wal-Mart
China Media Networks (CMN),major media services and airtime management company based in Beijing (over 28 million viewers)
Quik, China's largest convenience store chain
Bailian, a major intimate apparel chain based in Shanghai
Union Health, a nationwide wholesale distributor of cosmetic brands.
And soon the big one "Sit-Up" style shopping channel.

And the products...

well so far the above appointments have added these:

RAPID WHITE tooth whitening
BEST DIRECT Feather Bra
Exclusive Distribution Rights for Activa Beauty Products

but I would expect this to expand rapidly now the distribution network is taking shape and manufacturers can at last see the potential market which PCM can provide for their products.

We know there are outstanding debts and royalties to be paid, but if your after a long termer then this could be the biggest success story of this decade - watch this space - after all Edgar Bronfman is overseeing all this!

Just dont expect to get rich quick








driver - 26 Jul 2005 08:30 - 191 of 572

dynamicsoul
Good post, well done for getting all the bits together.

moneyplus - 26 Jul 2005 10:18 - 192 of 572

Well put ds--as long as I end up rich I can wait patiently for this one to take off! some of my shares I have held from the bad old days so they need to move up before see blue even. but as you say the fundamentals are all in place....

stockdog - 26 Jul 2005 10:43 - 193 of 572

dynamicsoul - I agree with your list of achievements which I gleaned directly from reading all the RNS of the last year over the weekend.

I have a small quibble with your last statement - "after all Edgar Bronfman is overseeing all this". He was meant to join the board as a non-exec, then he deferred that decision due to material financial differences in the company. Now that those last have been explained/resolved, he has decided not to join any more boards - so he is special advisor to the board. He is not overseeing all this - he is at best a source of good contacts in US and Far East in order to help gain political acceptance of the company. He should be very useful in helping develop pioneer trade in China, when you look at the roots of his family's distilery interests in Canada during US prohibition! But don't claim too much for him.

I am curious you omitted mention of chairman Darren Shaw who seems a very dynamic presence in the turnariound of PCM's strategy since his appointment. (Not related to Run Run Shaw, is he, anyone know? That would be a very interesting family connection!)

Still watching to see how things develop.

sd

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