Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Did anyone just listen to Dick Taylor on R4 refuse to answer a very simple question on the Rochdale disgrace?

No - I'm watching BBC1 waiting for post 18454 to happen! :-)

Just broken Stan - 148mph.

Well done!

I am not defending the Rochdale "social services", BUT.

There are a lot of problems underlying their failures.

1) some of the intake for "social services" of the have less than sufficient training
2) some of the intake to the services are often well meaning but with social backgrounds more tolerant to "social deviation" than society's norm.
3) "social services" often have the responsibility to "do something about it", but not the authority or "resources" do what is thought necessary.
4) sometimes the correct response to a "problem" or "minor with problems" is to remove temporarily the individual to a "safe" environment.
5) Get it right and you are an angel, get it wrong you are a pleb.


It is a hell of an area to work in which is often left by the more elite to those who are less than adequate themselves. ( I am not condemning "Social workers", but how many Etonian graduates volunteer to do front line "social work" in this country.

I won't go on, other than I think the penalisation for grooming young girls, or boys for prostitution should be heavier.

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Amending the law brings on its own problems and often does provoke problems of two adolescents one of 15years and 11mths and another of 16years and 1mth, who know their "own minds".

Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't.

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Don't know, but advertising in order to flog "fancy goods", using sexual images may be stimulating precocity.

Yes I agree Fred, I used the word disgrace earlier in regards to the senior Police Officer (I should have made that distinction in my post) who made the appalling decision in my view not to prosecute the men involved years ago, same goes for the Rotherham case as well.

How to get to Mars

New comet in late November 2013 might blaze brighter than the full Moon

But don't get your hopes up. It might turn out to be a bit of a dud like Kohoutek (1973).

It's just that these things don't come round too often in one's lifetime.

Herbert Lom, Pink Panther star, dies aged 95

One of Abu Hamza's grounds for appeal is that he does not have a passport.

BBC home affairs correspondent Dominic Casciani said Abu Hamza's lawyers would ask for for a "mandatory order" for the return of his confiscated British passport and costs for the legal action.

In a claim submitted to the High Court on Tuesday, they stated they wanted a judicial review of the home secretary's "decision to recall the claimant's British passport and to refuse to return it".

The BBC already understands that Abu Hamza's second ground for challenging his extradition relates to his mental health.

You beat me to it Haystack - brings a lump to your throat eh!

I used to live very near where Abu Hamza was preaching. He was thrown out of the mosque and used to hold court in the middle of a road in Finsbury Park. We passed him when I drove my kids to school on many mornings, especially Fridays . They used to ask, "who is that funny man?" with no hands.

He does have his uses though

Possible he would be the Justice minister in T.I.M.'s world of 2030.
Bloody frightening.
2517

lets get the facts correct the RACE card is the problem even the good police officers are now to scared to speak out ,
then we go to benefit fiddles the same is there to scared to speak out .
the uk government have got to get rid of the race card or the uk is finished no law and the crooks win. .the uk is a cesspit of corruption and crime .
but when the police take NO action allowing young girls to be raped then .
we are not even fit to be called civalised country.
hang all these child raper in one go and then bring back public floggings .
singapore is the only country with good laws

There is a lot of truth in what you say T.
2517

"good police officers are now to scared to speak out" More like "their excuse" and not a truthful reason, just plain laziness more like it.

They are not "good police officers"!

Their first responsibility should be to the "law", not their colleagues.

Difficult, sometimes.

Good to see the GDP only shrank by 0.4%

Well done George. Hope Cameron gets through immigration.

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the reason for all the problems in this country is down to two things
race card
nanny state.