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Northern Rock (NRK)     

irlee57 - 13 Aug 2007 09:03

any comments, thoughts, on this stock.

Balmoral - 19 Sep 2007 10:30 - 189 of 1029

rumour of a 2 bid and lloyds has cut its stake in Northern rock - according to broker

skinny - 19 Sep 2007 10:48 - 190 of 1029

Lloyds TSB not bidding for Northern Rock - industry sources


LONDON (Thomson Financial) - Lloyds TSB, the UK bank, is not bidding 200
pence per share for beleaguered mortgage lender Northern Rock, industry sources
said.
"There is no truth to the rumour," one source said in an interview.
At 10.40 am Northern Rock shares were down by over 10 pct, or 32 pence, at
274. The FTSE 100 was up nearly 2 pct, or 121.10 at 6,404.40.
Lloyds TSB refused to comment.


hlyeo98 - 19 Sep 2007 11:53 - 191 of 1029

So NRK is not worth even 200p.

HARRYCAT - 19 Sep 2007 12:28 - 192 of 1029

That's your interpretation of that comment. But that is not what it says.

hewittalan6 - 19 Sep 2007 14:59 - 193 of 1029

Now had notification that General Motors are restricting their lending on new build properties and self certification mortgages.
Both types are now restricted to 75% Loan to Value.
this is indicative of their opinion that sub prime still has many problems and the new build restriction is probably due to nervousness of the direction of house prices.
Alan

oilyrag - 19 Sep 2007 15:54 - 194 of 1029

Thank goodness I'm mortgage free. Was a struggle at times, but in those days they only lent you what you could afford to repay. 3 times principle salary plus 1 times secondary salary.

Stan - 19 Sep 2007 15:59 - 195 of 1029

No ones fault except peoples unrealistic expectations I'm afraid.

hlyeo98 - 19 Sep 2007 16:32 - 196 of 1029

NRK closes at 252p...wow

hangon - 19 Sep 2007 16:38 - 197 of 1029

( 252....Wow) - And I thought it was a good purchase a couple of days ago - doesn't look so good now, yet I suspect the business is fine and can continue (more-or-less) as before; albeit with higher Mortgage charges....it will remain to be seen what happens during this week..... a Buying opportunity, anyone?

Just goes to show how Willing this Market is, to be spooked.

hlyeo98 - 19 Sep 2007 16:43 - 198 of 1029

Adam Applegarth has already admitted that the business model of NRK is not going to work (read the telegraph 2 days ago). So 200p and below on the way. This is not a spook.

partridge - 19 Sep 2007 17:23 - 199 of 1029

Do General Motors really provide housing loans? If so, do they only consider loan to value, which is more akin to pawnbroking than bank lending? No wonder the financial market is in a mess - used to be "stick to the knitting" when I was a lad.

hewittalan6 - 19 Sep 2007 18:21 - 200 of 1029

General Motors provide all kinds of financing, including first and second charge residential lending.
The LTV question is a good one and very complex. They consider much more than that, but the lower the LTV, the higher amount of problems they would ignore.
3 months ago, you could achieve 85% LTV regardless of proving any income, regardless of mortgage payment profile and regardless of county court judgements, defaults and IVA's. Now, any touch of problems means just 75% LTV with them.
There are still many lenders offering similar product to GM 3 months ago, but fewer and fewer. Those that are have hiked their rates massively, and others have withdrawn altogether. One has gone into administration.
Some of those left and hiking or withdrawing include names like General Electric, Lehman Bros and Morgan Stanley.
The big guns have issues. Perhaps we should too.

oilyrag - 20 Sep 2007 09:04 - 201 of 1029

I can see this going to nothing.

Toya - 20 Sep 2007 09:21 - 202 of 1029

I read somewhere (sorry, can't recall where) that HBOS might consider paying 100p per share to acquire NRK. The same article had mentioned Lloyds TSB possibly paying 200p (see comment 190 above).

But, as Oilyrag says: this could go to nothing. The spoils might just be divided up between different banks.

Too risky for me, but it's interesting to keep an eye on developments.

derwent - 20 Sep 2007 10:10 - 203 of 1029

RAB bought 20,000,000 shares
& now have over 4%

scottinvestor - 20 Sep 2007 10:45 - 204 of 1029

i'll buy nrk for 1............have i offered too much, lol

Guscavalier - 20 Sep 2007 10:55 - 205 of 1029

well I have just had a dabble at 212p. King on TV channel 80 at present. Looking to be doing ok to me. He confirms that the roll over backing would be given to any bidder.

cynic - 20 Sep 2007 11:01 - 206 of 1029

you're nuts! .... you would have had a safer bet on the 2:30 favourite at Wincanton

oilyrag - 20 Sep 2007 11:06 - 207 of 1029

Scott, is that for the whole company or just one share. LOL.

Guscavalier - 20 Sep 2007 11:12 - 208 of 1029

I onlt did it to wake you up cynic
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