Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Of course it is relevant. These terrible things happened in hospitals over years under Labour. The hospitals have largely blamed the target culture imposed by Labour. When Labour were in power, every aspect of government was about spin. The truth was rarely told.

Stan,

Introduce cut backs and cost cuttings on the attempt to increasing the efficiency of the machine.

Change the system to create more confusion and demoralisation, also decentralise and disperse responsibility.

And of course introduce certificates of competence for all staff. The certification provided by the private sector.

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Without patients it would be a perfect system, perhaps that is what the Hunt is striving for.

Hays,

At least the labour government built some decent hospitals to replace the dilapidated institutions left by the tories, who squandered the cash from the North Sea Exploration of Oil and gas.

Also, the corrupt low cost sell off of the utilities could have been used for improvements for the “infrastructure” rather than lining the pockets of a small part of the population.

Also, the labour government ploughed a large amount into the hardware within the hospitals necessary to raise the standards of medicine and care in general.

Did Labour make mistakes, yes, PFIs (introduced by Maggie), to much bureaucracy, or the wrong type.

Too many changes, over too short a period and not enough attention to consequences of changes on moral within the NHS.

But the faults as described at Staffs show the weakness of the change of organisation in the Health Service and also the “morality” and “standards” of those who perpetrated the appalling actions.

Unfortunately, in a large organisation there will be “rotten” portions.

But the overall policies in place were correct, but the administration at local level appears appalling.

Stop wrongly quoting me. I said "Largely" Irrelevant.

The target culture started with The Con party Gov. 1979 onwards and the last lot maintained it , and when it comes to propaganda The "Con" Party Government in the 1979 era onwards.. led the way.

So what "exactly" are your mob going to do about it?

stan
Not even largely irrelevant. Completely irrelevant. Labour just could not run the NHS any more than anything else. Labour has always been a tax and spend party. When they have taxed to the hilt they transform into a borrow and spend party. Normally the Consetvatives then arrive and save the country. Labour usually only get one parliament before the electorate are fed up with them. Last time Blair and Brown just lied for years and it took longer to throw them out. This time it will take longer to fix Labour's blunders and stupid policies.

You are in no position to criticise anyone after the "Nest Feathering" and "Selling off the Family Silver" that went on in the 18 Thatcher and Major years.

So again.. "exactly" what are your mob going to do about it?

That's pretty clear that it got worse and worse under Labour and is now getting better.

Hays.

Refer you back to your previous posting.


But you must hold up your mates in this "hokey cokey" government.

Gov does it for you.

Left foot in and left foot out, hold on to Cameron he is the best chancer you have.

This coalition is becoming a laughing stock.

Hays.

Refer you back to your previous posting.


But you must hold up your mates in this "hokey cokey" government.

Gov does it for you.

Left foot in and left foot out, hold on to Cameron he is the best chancer you have.

This coalition is becoming a laughing stock.

"At least the labour government built some decent hospitals to replace the dilapidated institutions left by the tories, who squandered the cash from the North Sea Exploration of Oil and gas."

Yes they did Fred, but at what cost?

One of many similar articles = Hospitals 'struggling with NHS mortgage repayments'

Paying off the "NHS mortgage" is putting so much pressure on the system in England that the future of some hospitals is at risk, ministers say. -

how prophetic.

this thread has become like corrie or e'enders ..... you go away; come back and all is really exactly the same as you left it with everyone at full volume

You may say that cynic, I couldn't possibly comment :O) Fred the red is becoming worse than TANK, didn't think that was possible.

fred is def the "red under the bed" as he refuses to vote, reckoning it's his democratic right not to ..... bit of a cop out i reckon

MrT is just the gibbering village idiot as far as i am concerned

What about the wonderful Vicky Pryce and Chris Hulme case then!!!! Honourable British Citizens - NOT.

3m

But close to the cons hearts.

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Cynic,

Not so. Just recognise rubbish, when I see it.

Compared with the incompetent bunch in control at the moment I admit to be being left of centre.

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Skinny,

At the time of the financing of the building by PFIs and the future problems condemned the method of financing the necessary institutions.

Also, condemned the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and the waste of lives and money which would be involved.

Which could have be spent more "wisely".

Also, remember condemnation and attempts of mockery for me forecasting the result.

Also, recall my reluctance regarding Libya.

Personally, I would scrap the thoughts of Aircraft Carriers, etc.

It is time to cut these expenses and accept that we are a little nation trying to punch above its weight.

But "health care", social services are for the benefit of the Nation as a whole, as is having "decent" judiciary and police service etc.

Worth paying for.

Mr Ranty ‏@rantypete

@EtonOldBoys outrage in Europe as shoppers in France/Italy/Belgium/Spain find beef dna in their horsemeat !

Just put £50 on Findus to win the National.

In a straw poll, their lasagne was found to be part of a students stable diet.

Too early in the morning for me to quote on the above without getting banned - have a nice day.