Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

I don't worry about Angela but apparently a lot of Germans are .

Poor skill levels, I would have thought not, are the immigrants flooding in from these mainly 3rd world countries more likely to have the required skills?
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I've just seen a description of why the ftse is as it is , apparently there's a recession worry , now that would be nice , wonder what all our immigrants will turn to .

don't forget there are a further 5 new applicants ....... Iceland, the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Turkey ....... make your own mind up as to whether you would want any of them to join your club

There were/are arguments that those who emigrated had more "drive" and "talent" and more likely to be "go getters".

I know many immigrants and it appears to me that many of them fit into those groups.

Look at the skill levels of Nurses and junior doctors etc.

I would prefer not to have the Polls.

no one has objected to workers with required skills having freedom to come here
the objection is the flood of unskilled, extended family members and the (minority of unknown quantity) criminal gangs and freeloaders who know how to work the system

I thought Albania was in there , another country with a Mafia type make up . Anyone is better than the English though aren't they Freda eh , never done anything have they .

Why bother with Fred ,he doesn't have a clue , most on here agree we have a problem ,there are just the odd one or two who don't get it.

You talk all this stuff but you just Hate the English don't you .

Quite right jimmy .

vic - you may be right, as i certainly thought there were 7 applicants, but a quick search only brought up the 5 listed

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albania did indeed apply (in 2014) so there may be still one more economically strapped entity that is thought worthy of consideration

Also add that today's hero, Steve Hilton, slayer of the EU is the son of east European migrants who arrived in the 50's.

The very well educated Steve is an asset to us all.

Proof that not all migrants, nor their kids rip the country off.

Priti Patel is the daughter of immigrants and she is campaigning to leave and doing a great job as well .We like her.

No one is suggesting that last line of yours will10
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The £2billion to Turkey is nonsense. It includes £650m being paid to Turkey as part of the deal for the return of migrants. The money has not yet been paid and looks like not being paid as Turkey is not sticking to the conditions. The balance, which is £1.2 billion is being paid to some of the Balkan states and possibly Turkey. It is to help those countries prepare for entry to the EU in areas connected with the convergence criteria. Those countries include Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia and a few others. Turkey may or may not get any money at all depending on how likely they are to join the EU (very unlikely for the immediate future).

Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Iceland, Turkey, Bosnia as well as Kosovo are the next 8 being lined up.
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thanks george ...... at least 6 of those would need to declare Chapter 11

That's the problem cynic, whether it's countries or immigrants or anything else really, trying to absorb too much in too short a time frame is extremely difficult, if not impossible.
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I should have added ''especially if they are in poor condition financially''.

As were many of the 12 countries that have joined since 2004.
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