Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Fair does cyners.... your a decent chap...... well very decent............ not like that pratt called Winnie.

Sure hes gone funny in the head. So bitter and twisted.

Harold Wilson was certainly not working class. His father was an industrial chemist and his mother was a teacher. He came from a middle class family but tried to appear to be a man of the people. I remember him being PM when I was at school. I always thought him a bit creepy and slimy. He is really responsible for the winter of discontent and giving the trades unions too much leeway.

so your mother looked down on them then; that must make you one of us :-)

Wilson was originally a Liberal.

cynic please let me know how your lamb turned out on the cookery thread.

and winston was lots of things too, so don't hold that against him ..... it was his appalling taste in raincoats that was totally unforgivable

When Wilson resigned his leaving honours list was a very dodgy document and did lasting damage to his reputation. He honoured two businessmen who were involved in fraud. One went to prison and the other committed suicide because of police activity. I remember him being very clever, but a dreadful. PM.

will do 3m ..... i have several recipes to be done from the same batch ...... coated with mustard and breadcrumbs and then popped in a hot oven so they become crispy on the outside - added to yellow split-peas with fresh ginger, turmeric and chillis and perhaps some fresh coriander - soup base (obviously) - could also do a pilaff of some kind with saffron, almonds and dried apricots; sort of persian thing

went to prison like jeffrey archer then :-)

cynic
It was his friend, the maker of his Gannex raincoat that went to prison.

Wilson smoked the working class pipe all the time for the press, but never in private. It was brandy and cigars then. A study of newsreels and interviews will show that the pipe hardly ever lit. He also used to push his love of HP sauce, apparently not used in private.

Pity you're not a vegan, cyners. I'm sure you could probably find some good recipes on this website.

Health & Safety Hils!!

i'm quite good at vegan recipes if needs be, but it's intrinsically a very unhealthy diet

Cyners ...... i said my mother not me.


Anyway Harold was a true working class boy, didnt need the shoe ups you and the likes of that prat haystacks need to get a massive lead over the norm.

And lets face it, that what it is at the bottom line you want to gain advantage over the norm cos werther your kids are thick or whatever THEY have to be respectable to your freind s and neighbours.

SICK

Hays,

You are spouting more blinkered rubbish again.

Sinner,

Wilson was very interesting period and I well remember "pound in your pocket".

Very useful for me at the time, when I saw the opportunity of borrowing against devaluation over the coming few years.

He was a pragmatist, and managed to balance the divisions within the Labour party and maintain control and its general direction.

Also, important for Open University which gave many a second chance of an education.

(Hays seems to have squandered his opportunity.)

Also, as important got the country's backing for it to become a member of the EEC. after the failures of the Cons to do so. He gave a choice, while Hay's Dear Leader flies under opposite flags and exposes his confusion and appeases nobody.




May be interested in but difficult for those with limited concentration!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21462012

gf
I didn't go to a private school. It is just that I approve of them. As I said above money still buys better schooling by buying a house near the best schools. You can't stop that. It is exactly the same as paying for private education. The school across the road from me is one of the best schools in the country and it is a state school. The 600 yards catchment area is full of rich people who have bought houses in the adjacent streets to get their kids in the school. It is a better deal than paying for education as you get the increase in value of your investment.


The net result is that the school is just full of rich parents. They are parents who treat education seriously and consequentially the school gets outstanding results. In reality that sort of system is far worse than people paying for private education. The consequence is that anyone outside the 600 yard boundary has to travel quite a way to a number of very poor schools. The ablest pupils are denied entrance to this school because it is already full of people paying £1m plus for their house and guaranteed entry to the school.


How is that better than people paying for private education?

gf

'Working Class' seems to be some sort of badge that you admire. It implies a set of people who cannot afford another badge. Most of them would get another badge at the first chance. All this 'salt of the earth' crap is yet another myth. Given the chance to change their circumstances, most you never look back.

GF - 2172 - and why do you think that being respectable (sic!!) to friends and neighbours was (sure as hell not the case now) was solely the prerogative of the working classes?

and Hays is right, that there is now (has been for the last 20 years) inverse snobbery in claiming to have paupie parents and flat vowels, and well brought-up middle class children being made to feel guilty about their so-called bourgeois background

i don't and didn't! ..... of course this inverse snobbery rubbish is exactly that ..... go back in history, and it is full of children, especially girls, from poor backgrounds who did their very best to climb the social ladder - and why not indeed?

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Hays on education ..... to follow up on that ..... we cannot afford to give my grandchildren the choice of private education, so my son and d-in-law bought a house in the right catchment area and feel obliged to have their half-jewish children baptised so they stand a far better chance of being accepted by the local, high-quality catholic school.

There are many, who although satisfied with the improvements in their own circumstances wish to enable others to obtain the same, or better, rather than simply hoarding for themselves and boasting about it.

That "betterment" was one of the drives of education and for many involved in it.

"Hays on education ..... to follow up on that ..... we cannot afford to give my grandchildren the choice of private education, so my son and d-in-law bought a house in the right catchment area and feel obliged to have their half-jewish children baptised so they stand a far better chance of being accepted by the local, high-quality catholic school."

UMMMHH,

I suppose that is standing up for what you believe in!