Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

"If you’re not a socialist before you’re twenty-five, you have no heart; if you are a socialist after twenty-five, you have no brain".
That is why the socialists always want to lower the voting age. The fact is that older people have more skin in the game.
Germany and France wish to curb the power of the big internet companies. Tell your kids that they will restrict Facebook and Whatsapp and the Brexiteers will win in a landslide. No more fanciful than what Cameron and Osbourne are saying.
Makes me think of the plonkers that thought up the Red Flag Act due to the danger of motor cars travelling faster than horses:
The most draconic restrictions and speed limits were imposed by the 1865 act (the "Red Flag Act") which required all road locomotives, which included automobiles, to travel at a maximum of 4 mph (6.4 km/h) in the country and 2 mph (3.2 km/h) in the city - as well as requiring a man carrying a red flag to walk in front of road vehicles hauling multiple wagons.

It's not the votes, it's how you count them....


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/24/austria-far-right-freedom-party-cries-foul-presidential-election-defeat



On his Facebook page, the party leader, Heinz-Christian Strache, seized on irregularities in Linz and Waidhofen, where the final result announced a voter turnout of 146.9%. The interior ministry said the figure was the result of a data entry error.

Should brew it .

That's what could happen here MaxK. Indiscretions .

The remain camp are doing a much more professional job than the leaves. They are more visible and seem to have a strategy.

With you there Haystack.

Based on economics we are better off in. I'm no supporter of existing EU politics though, we need many changes. A single currency not practical either, needs to change.

Would like to see a close vote, preferable 53% In.

Not a Cameron admirer, but fair play to him. All credit for playing his hand well.

Boris needs to stop talking bananas.

Yes can't disagree, all the remainer's have to do is put out silly numbers
and scaremongering threats, with multitudes of scenario's, and so far
the Leave side are finding it hard to counteract.

The remain camp consist of a government plus our money plus endless phone calls to endless interested parties and many many lies , deceptions ,cons ,suckers , people who defend their glorious leader through any wrongdoing ,never his fault , plus weakling scaremongering wimps basically .

And the BBC bias of course .

May be my imagination but I think the unholy two are getting more air time than those nice leaver people, even if their claims are now bordering on lunacy.
As Lincoln said "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."
Nice touch to see our Dave copying that dipstick Obama and giving his lecture in front of an audience of sycophants. There again perhaps they were forced to listen by their employer. Seems to be the fashion these days to coherce employees. Third world tactics.

There's one hell of a let down to come at some point .

And Boris says Bananas. That's all he's got .

The lead spokes person for the outers refuses to hand out their NHS leaflets because of the lies contained within them.

Should have run it past Steve Hilton then.

Well, the markets seem to like the recent polls for "IN".

So at least the outer leaders have some decency. The remainiacs will say anything, true or not. The fact is that their economic projections to 2030 are total bs. Might as well as spin a wheel. They can't get the number right for one year, let alone 15.
As Sky reported yesterday, they left out the Norway model in the latest projections since it didn't fit their story any longer. Doh. People won't notice.

It's even then.
The outers lie,.... the inners lie ...politics !!!!! that's why we are put off .... all lairs.

When all said and done it comes down to economics. Everyone gets to have their vote.

The three most important things,..... the economy, the economy and the economy. Oh,... and bananas

Trust the people on this one.

Strange that the INs are blatant liars while the OUTERS are as white as the driven snow.

I suppose it is nothing to do with the position one is coming from?

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What are the bookies' odds to-day?

Strange that you use the Markets and the polls and now the bookies to suit your ends . The remainers will find out who the liars are eventually .

We'll see what the markets think when Greece starts slipping down the slippery slope , again .

The remainer's might be confident at the moment but in my experience
there usually comes a time when something unexpected crops up, its up
to the Leave side to take advantage and go for the jugular...