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THE TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD. (NOWT)     

goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Fred1new - 12 Apr 2013 11:23 - 23570 of 81564

Hear the song "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead" is number 4 in the pop chart.

Let's "celebrate" comes to mind.

cynic - 12 Apr 2013 11:36 - 23571 of 81564

bad taste is more apposite

Haystack - 12 Apr 2013 12:17 - 23572 of 81564

Question time last night was very interesting with most panel members saying very nice things about her. The audience were clearly on her side, even the younger members. Vince cable was particularly pleasant about her and reminded people what a mess the UK was in when she became PM.

It is turning out that only the rabid left has anything bad to say about her.

Blair said yesterday that the Labour party is becoming the party of protest and nothing more.

goldfinger - 12 Apr 2013 12:18 - 23573 of 81564

Nos 3 now. And growing. Wonder if it is on U tube.

Shortie - 12 Apr 2013 12:21 - 23574 of 81564

Labour has long been the party of protest. I wouldn't trust Ed Miliband to park my car let alone run the country. Politics in general has become a laughing stock, the political agenda needs clearly to be addressed so politicans spend less time debating things like gay marriage and more time addressing issues of trade.

cynic - 12 Apr 2013 12:27 - 23575 of 81564

QT was probably not an accurate reflection ..... nevertheless, it's likely that MT would have concurred that some her actions were divisive, but necessary for all that

assuredly, with the benefit of 25/30 years hindsight, it will be seen that the consequences of some her actions - e.g. perhaps selling off council houses - did not turn out as expected (i shan't sidetrack) ....... however, only the hard left and further would deny that her breaking of the militant unions was akin to excising an aggressive cancer ..... further, she brought rampant inflation under control

for those 2 actions alone, we should all be very thankful

TANKER - 12 Apr 2013 12:40 - 23576 of 81564

ony blair wants theparty to follow s leadand become a war criminal he should be tried
for watr crimes he lead the uk to war on DAM LIES the man is no better than a murderer .

goldfinger - 12 Apr 2013 12:58 - 23577 of 81564

Cyners are you really saying if it werent for the Falklands war she would have been re- elected????.

Dont think so, she had a lower rating than Gordon Brown before the war.

goldfinger - 12 Apr 2013 13:07 - 23578 of 81564

One thing I liked about Maggie was she was all for free speech, got to credit her with that even if she did obliterate 2/3rds of the countrys industrial base.

cynic - 12 Apr 2013 13:07 - 23579 of 81564

i didn't say or even suggest that ..... falklands war was necessary - i think you'll find the great majority would still agree even if you don't - but undoubtedly the timing was fortuitous for her .....

to suggest that MT provoked the war for selfish political ends - i suspect that's where you're trying to go - would be beneath contempt ..... you might find the papers just released under the 30-year rule surprisingly interesting and revealing

Chris Carson - 12 Apr 2013 13:15 - 23580 of 81564

GF - How old were you at the time of the Falklands war exactly? My guess is your still exercising the same mental age :O)

Shortie - 12 Apr 2013 13:17 - 23581 of 81564

2/3rds of our countries industrial base had already fallen apart when MT signed if off.. The Unions were reponsible for that.

goldfinger - 12 Apr 2013 13:25 - 23582 of 81564

Dont be silly cynic Im not suggesting that at all, more like a comment from nice but simple chris is that not you.

goldfinger - 12 Apr 2013 13:26 - 23583 of 81564

Shortie and yes look what maggie promoted the SERVICE sector, exacly why were in the -hit now.

Haystack - 12 Apr 2013 13:27 - 23584 of 81564

You mean she scrapped loss making industries. The actual statistics show that industry declined any a slower rate under Thatcher. Many industries expanded as she attracted inward investment to the UK including large investments from Japanese car makers. We had outdated unproductive industries dominated by closed shops and 29 million days lost to strikes per year. The figure is now 2 million per year and almost all of those are called by still militant leaders.

Shortie - 12 Apr 2013 13:28 - 23585 of 81564

And there was me thinking we're in the current mess because Labour reduced the Teir 1 Capital Ratio and encouraged the banking sector to take more risk... Nothing to do with MT..

goldfinger - 12 Apr 2013 13:33 - 23586 of 81564

And by the way Unions wanted change they wanted new capital re-tooling in fact went cap in hand to management asking for re-tooling....... granted on their terms but it wouldnt have ended like it is today with all the ill feeling and the country divided in half. Poor management was at fault in the 8os both private and nationalised.

Cant see why Maggie should have such a grand swan song.

Fred1new - 12 Apr 2013 13:37 - 23587 of 81564

Cynic,

I agree with you she didn't provoke the Falklands War.

I doubt she knew where the islands where before the Argentinians attempting to move back in.

Personally, I think she saw the opportunity to bolster her failing political fortunes and jumped at the opportunity to parade herself as a War time leader.

Again, I thought she was "bonkers", likewise for Blair and Iraq.

Total up the cost in lives and money of the interventions in the way they were carried out in the name of vanity.

I thought McMillan's international political approach was more realistic and abreast of his period the periods after him.

Maggie appealed to the tory wishes for the grandeur of long lost periods in British history

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Cynic,

Bad taste, are you cooking again?

Jokes about political leaders have always been made about deceased political leaders Hitler, Stalin etc. and I know many about Tito.

Many of the jokes are perceptive and others less than humorous.

You and others are allowed to venerate you "heroes and heroins" as you feel fit.

But sometimes I consider it is of less consequence and more honest to attempt to "humiliate" the dead than do so to the living who are unable to defend themselves.

Besides, I see the "veneration" of Thatcher, by this tory party is attempting to associate a failing leadership with past periods of useless euphoria.




goldfinger - 12 Apr 2013 13:38 - 23588 of 81564

errr shortie sept 8 2008........... David Cameron speaking....... "we need far less regulation of the Banking sector, Bankers should be able to use capital so that they get the biggest returns possible".

goldfinger - 12 Apr 2013 13:43 - 23589 of 81564

he he, brilliant comment Fred your a dry so and so, great reading your comments....

"I doubt she knew where the islands where before the Argentinians" LOL.
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