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Just to clarify the patent posted yesterday. Gobbledygook to me. But I understand that it relates to the sealing heads and the layer of plastic that is put over them to make them work properly. I am taking the view (5 engineers are named on the patent application) that this will remove the stopper on Greenseal progress. Decent demand this morning. So, wait for it, I am back in! Tell zscrooge someone.
Eric

The video is a demonstration (look at the hand filled salad trays and trays on the line containing differing products). I suspect the machine was purposely running slowly for purposes of the filming and better demonstrating GS in operation.

I saw a GS demonstration 6 or 7 months ago which included filling trays (with blocks of wood!), covering with film from a roll, sealing and trimming the film.

Although I didn't time the throughput it certainly appeared faster than the video. Or at least it did to my failing memory and rose coloured glasses!

I think this post re-lit the GS speed issue:

Sharesure - 11 Feb 2007 10:43 - 23566 of 23594

Bosley, totally agree with your comment. Too many, including me, have been prepared to trust/believe in the past, and some of the present, mgt. They and we have been naive for different reasons. If this stock ever becomes more than a useful CGT loss to offset against profits elsewhere I shall be more than amazed.
The RF machine they demo'd to me at the factory late last year was slow.

Would be good if sharesure could add relevant detail: Machine Make & Model, pack rate pre-GS conversion, pack rate post GS conversion, and particularly, was the demo a live run at full speed.

As has been said, pack rate and seal integrity are two key factors in this arena.

I was with Sharesure.
Funny how memories and perceptions differ.

Picked this of another site - worth a look (Courtesy of PSLeon)

Notice near the end ( Looking forward) Salad Bags

SEO are one of the 50 Members


http://walmart.feedroom.com/ifr_main.jsp?nsid=a-4cd3c5d8:110ba4f17ac:5634&rf=sitemap&fr_story=bcd39c5166dcf0997a294eaf9ea793cd7297516b&st=1171361321890

SEO are producing salad bags for ASDA using Greenseal, the SALAD Bags are on the Walmart video at the end with a slide saying futures

http://www.wrap.org.uk/retail/index.html
see slide 3 for Asda salad bags

Bhunt,

I see no direct mention of SEO, but recall Alan's comment that his source mentioned ASDA's plan for salads to be GS'd and on the shelves in March...is it a case of 2+2?

Baza,
Are you certain these are SEO? I have seen them many times in our local Asda, but they have nothing on them to distinguish them from all the other packaging.
Are they GS or Starpol or both?
Sorry to press you on this.
Alan

am acting as a bit of a middle man here - because I dont know - but here is the response from the chap of whom I asked the same question

"No I don't think they are there yet, as the video stated futures

But if the asda bags have reduced packaging by 10- 15% as in the Wrap slides then Walmart will probably follow, hopefully with alot more products "

So I guess a case of 2+2 at this stage

Tony, even the guy demo'ing the machine to us said that it was slow but that faster models were being worked on. I don't want to knock SEO as that is personally counter-productive but I do still think that previous mgt. and, more worryingly, some of those who remain on the Board have been very cavalier in what they have encouraged shareholders to believe as far as the company's prospects are concerned. I hope that Shroeders' role in this will be to act in all our interests as a significant shareholder and ensure that how they behave from now on is more honest and realistic.

Baza,
That style and printing of packaging is most definitely on the shelves at my local Asda. What puzzles me is that there is nothing on the packs about disposing of the packaging.
Alan

merely as a comment on non-degardable packaging etc etc, and a sign of one of the banes of modern life.

new shredder arrives in a cardboard box .... great!
however, machine comes surrounded by the usual blocks of polystyrene.
why they cannot use shredded paper or even bubblewrap, goodness knows

These are "corner-blocks"..? = Quite small and easily made (probably from a single-shape), so represent good protection shouldd the shreader be knocked before you unwrap it.
Perhaps we need a tick-box on the order that says..."Deliver in minimal packing, I'll accept any surface damage."
However, I suspect those that complain about packing would be PDQ to complain if the cover was cracked.
You can't have it both ways - unless you take the styrene blocks back so they can be re-used - Maybe there is a case to argue that such "corner-blocks" should be of one common design - say in small, medium and large - and then any product would accept whichever was appropriate for the weight, size etc.
Bubblewrap is good for items that don't have great rigidity and weight - to achieve the same "drop-resistance" you'd need a lot of bubblewrap, and only the corners are especially vunerable.
There we are - standardised, "re-usable styrene corners"...return them to the nearest store.
Good luck.....it will be difficult to get agreement, but makes lots of sense.

PS where does "shreaded" paper go - in with newspapers? My Council has some strange ideas as to what they'll take at the Recycle Centre, so we have to sneek stuff in when the camera is pointing away. Oops..not me Gov.

Re the new patent for GreenSeal. The web address will not reproduce but I will try to type it here

http://v3.espacenet.com/textdes?
DB=EPODOC&IDX=EP1749641&F=0&QPN=EP1749641

The patent concerns dielectric welding. Some consistent buying this morning which is likely to be triggered by the patent. I recall the technical problem which was reported to have been resolved by Birmingham University and expect this relates - essentially a permanent engineering solution to the problem.

In relation to the speed issue, the GreenSeal patent, I understand, quotes a dwell time of 1.5 seconds for the GreenSeal weld. You then increase the throughput by the number of parallel packs which can be 4 or 8. Because these figures derive from the laboratory it may be that the issues about welding have effected throughput so that the new patent is indeed relevant in terms of speed as well as reliability.

I wouldn't expect an RNS but my conclusion is that there will be a positive story on GreenSeal with the prelims and hopefully that elusive first commercial order (which in turn ends the ASDA exclusivity). I hope that comment won't trigger the doom merchants!

Eric

bubble-wrap i meant is not the greenhouse stuff but comes with large pockets about 4" x 2" which hold much air.

as you said, even corner blocks would be far preferable and surely more than adequate ..... after all, look how wine is packed, and one rarely has any breakages

Hangon
Your Recycling Centre doesn't like shredded paper because the act of shredding cuts the fibres too short to be reused.

It would be welcome at animal refuges/shelters where it is used as bedding.

our concil collects newspapers .... no sweat.
wish we had boxes for glass too as drink plenty of wine
plastic .... they don't like containers ex milk, yoghurt etc etc - i.e. the stuff one usually has!

" they don't like containers ex milk, yoghurt etc etc - i.e. the stuff one usually has! "

Those plastics have to be laminated so they can be heatsealed. Laminated plastics cannot be recycled, and cost more.

If the packers changed to GS they could use cheaper mono-plastics - and your council would be delighted to take them for recycling.
And (best of all) you might even be a little more positive about SEO !
Not suggesting you would go so far as to purchase a share in the Company you post so much about.

bit irrelevant really as it all gets shipped to China and dumped in there land fill sites...!

It doesn't get dumped in landfill in China it gets recyled, the shipping to there is dirt cheap which makes it cost effective.Most of the containers go back to China empty.