for more information about stanelco click on the links.

driver's research page link
http://www.moneyam.com/InvestorsRoom/posts.php?tid=7681#lastread
website link
http://www.stanelco.co.uk/index.htm

These are "corner-blocks"..? = Quite small and easily made (probably from a single-shape), so represent good protection shouldd the shreader be knocked before you unwrap it.
Perhaps we need a tick-box on the order that says..."Deliver in minimal packing, I'll accept any surface damage."
However, I suspect those that complain about packing would be PDQ to complain if the cover was cracked.
You can't have it both ways - unless you take the styrene blocks back so they can be re-used - Maybe there is a case to argue that such "corner-blocks" should be of one common design - say in small, medium and large - and then any product would accept whichever was appropriate for the weight, size etc.
Bubblewrap is good for items that don't have great rigidity and weight - to achieve the same "drop-resistance" you'd need a lot of bubblewrap, and only the corners are especially vunerable.
There we are - standardised, "re-usable styrene corners"...return them to the nearest store.
Good luck.....it will be difficult to get agreement, but makes lots of sense.

PS where does "shreaded" paper go - in with newspapers? My Council has some strange ideas as to what they'll take at the Recycle Centre, so we have to sneek stuff in when the camera is pointing away. Oops..not me Gov.

Re the new patent for GreenSeal. The web address will not reproduce but I will try to type it here

http://v3.espacenet.com/textdes?
DB=EPODOC&IDX=EP1749641&F=0&QPN=EP1749641

The patent concerns dielectric welding. Some consistent buying this morning which is likely to be triggered by the patent. I recall the technical problem which was reported to have been resolved by Birmingham University and expect this relates - essentially a permanent engineering solution to the problem.

In relation to the speed issue, the GreenSeal patent, I understand, quotes a dwell time of 1.5 seconds for the GreenSeal weld. You then increase the throughput by the number of parallel packs which can be 4 or 8. Because these figures derive from the laboratory it may be that the issues about welding have effected throughput so that the new patent is indeed relevant in terms of speed as well as reliability.

I wouldn't expect an RNS but my conclusion is that there will be a positive story on GreenSeal with the prelims and hopefully that elusive first commercial order (which in turn ends the ASDA exclusivity). I hope that comment won't trigger the doom merchants!

Eric

bubble-wrap i meant is not the greenhouse stuff but comes with large pockets about 4" x 2" which hold much air.

as you said, even corner blocks would be far preferable and surely more than adequate ..... after all, look how wine is packed, and one rarely has any breakages

Hangon
Your Recycling Centre doesn't like shredded paper because the act of shredding cuts the fibres too short to be reused.

It would be welcome at animal refuges/shelters where it is used as bedding.

our concil collects newspapers .... no sweat.
wish we had boxes for glass too as drink plenty of wine
plastic .... they don't like containers ex milk, yoghurt etc etc - i.e. the stuff one usually has!

" they don't like containers ex milk, yoghurt etc etc - i.e. the stuff one usually has! "

Those plastics have to be laminated so they can be heatsealed. Laminated plastics cannot be recycled, and cost more.

If the packers changed to GS they could use cheaper mono-plastics - and your council would be delighted to take them for recycling.
And (best of all) you might even be a little more positive about SEO !
Not suggesting you would go so far as to purchase a share in the Company you post so much about.

bit irrelevant really as it all gets shipped to China and dumped in there land fill sites...!

It doesn't get dumped in landfill in China it gets recyled, the shipping to there is dirt cheap which makes it cost effective.Most of the containers go back to China empty.

Eric,
You're back in! Well done, a smart move! At least now we can blame you if it all goes pear shaped ;0)
Thanks for the patent info; I think your assumption of a potentially major problem solved is correct.
A wild guess, it could have been something to do with arcing during sealing. From the patent descriprion:- "During welding of a material, the parts of the material alongside those subjected to dielectric welding are compressed together by the layers (14b) of dielectric material, which squeezes any liquid away from the dielectric welding region, reducing the associated risk of arcing."

I noticed this also:- "The sealing process is remarkably effective, and can provide a good seal despite the presence of contamination on the rim 36, such as traces of blood or fat from the product 32." Another wild guess, meat packaging trials are in an advanced stage?

Just to prove that I have nothing better to do this pm:-

The inventors of the original patent, to which the latest appears to be an extension, were -

FEAST, Michael Alan John
ZEBEDEE, Brenton John
WHITE, Howard
ROBINS, Terence Michael
SOFIELD, Carl John
KOLTSOV, Denis Konstantinovich

The latest names are -

SMITH, David John
GRIMES, Ryan
LOUTIT, Magnus John
SOFIELD, Carl John
KOLTSOV, Denis Konstantinovich

So some new blood in there. This may be stretching the imagination too far but Mr Koltsov's address is given as Brookhouse, Lancs. 45 miles from Brookhouse is Hitchen Foods who were supposed to be churning out Greensealed salads; too much of a coincidence?

Baza, thanks for the WalMart link....interesting. I would be quite happy to allow the young blonde lady to handle my package any day!
kim

Why. Has it biodegraded with age????

Shrink wrapped Alan!

"Most of the containers go back to China empty."

bet they don't! ..... shipping lines will prob charge +/-$1500 and china would not welcome them back as they still churn out the damn things in their 000s ..... most operators will try to work some sort of triangle so say full ex China to Europe; reload to India; reload back to F/E - but not back to China unless they have backload.

China is a huge net exporter,many containers have to go back empty,unless of course they manafacture and export containers!!Anyhow the plastic from my recycling centre goes to China in containers.

Whatever you do don't throw anything away with your name & address on it in the recycle bin or you find yourself being being fined 1,000 for dropping a toffee wrapper in it.

I also saw a GS machine in operation sealing packs with blocks of wood; indeed I have three samples of this at home. It appeared quite fast, but how fast in comparison to a real production line I do not know!

My research tells me that the machine in Hitchens was removed before Xmas and was due to go back around the middle of January after some modifications were made. My research tells me that Hitchens was keen to have the machine back after the modifications had been made. Whether it has been returned to work on a real production run, I do not know.

The oily one

Hope the Asda salad bags are SEO but doubt it as Tesco sell mixed salad in similar bags. But still looks as if SEO are on the steadiest ground for several months.
Lets all hope its not another burst bubble.

This one's Greensealed it say's so on the box.

Driver Where are the details of the new patent? Looks important. Getting their ducks in a row - not like those Aussie ones!

Eric

Driver, its amazing what crap you find on the net when looking for SEO news! LOL

Driver, SEO could do with one of those to rebuild their website; still nothing on airbags........maybe that is because the old management have gone?!