The 2005 general election is nearly upon us. Which way will you vote, and you reasons why. Here is a brief list of the potential contestants, please add your own.


More tax!
Less tax!
Dont know!
Death to all infidels!
Who gives a shit?

The great pretender.

They were brave men led by a donkey!! The coal piled higher and higher because nobody would buy it at a price which would keep those men's wages paid we were importing coal at less than half the price it cost to produce ours MT stood firm against foolish ideas that we could continue to prop up an ailing industry. It was heart breaking to watch and yes there were dark forces at work nothing to do with the poor miners just hell bent on causing maximum trouble for our country!
Think about it a lot of those people are now in the new clean healthy industries attracted to the areas by gov subsidies etc. Would any of you really want your children to work down a pit in this day and age ?? The fear of change led to the inevitable and MT had more guts and integrity than anyone up there these days---load of self seeking worms never prepared to face up to their messes and resign- the list is endless- they just smarm and pass the buck!! Middle England is picking up the bill for all the benefits,credits and gov. millions employed in one quango after another plus Prescotts 5 star trips to keep him busy doing nothing.
I'm happy I'm nearly at the end of my working life as red tape and the burdens loaded on my business while I'm sympathetic to some of them are driving jobs out of the door and as for training places forget it-just can't afford it any more. We're going to hell in a hand cart if this lot get in again!
sorry for the rant-you guys set me off!

A lot of what you say is true and makes sence. Its just the way she went about it. If she was in the wizard of oz she would be the Tin Man. She was heartless! I agree about these money eating quangos and red tape, you only have to look at the bottom of your letterbox every day. Its time a new party rose from the ashes that wants fairness and justice for all. A world where governments treat all thier citizens with respect. Its also time to face the problems, global warming, resources running low, immigration, and no 1 problem ironically greed.

micky.
I didn't bring Maggie into the argument, somebody else did.
Upon Nationalisation, all the miners were proud and fantastic. But they had taken over an industry that had been starved of money through the threat of being nationalised........and the managers spent like crazy. They asked for, and got, everything. Records fell by the week and the lads were earning good money. They were kings and rightly proud.
But time and tide move on. The old stalwarts retired to be replaced with those who had no 'esprit de corps' of the mining fraternity of the old days.
Times were good. So good that they could afford a few 'sickies' and still pick up a fair whack. So, to the Friday off they added the occaisional Monday.
This got to be common place. Output began to stagnate. The gov were in a cleft stick. The miners went on strike and Ted caved in and gave them more money in need for more coal. The miner was king.....but with a different face.
Maggie comes on the scene.
She gave in to their every demand. Good money, open book for overtime.
Coal streamed out of the pits and still the miners asked for more. But their greed clouded their eyes. Every power station was cramfull full of coal and every minehead the same. Coal was stored everywhere.
A deal was done with Poland, US and Australia. "Can we have coal if we ask for it?" Yes was the reply.
The scene was set. Maggie pulled the shutters down and the rest is history.
Scargill? An utter prat. He fought for his own reputation and wage packet.
With the miners gone he would have no power base. He went everywhere.
Even to Saltley coking and gas complex........and didn't see the stockpile of coal there. BUT HE HAD IGNORED THE OBVIOUS! The miners day had ended with oil being found.
If he had had a brain in his head, he would have accepted that coal could not compete. BUT HE COULD HAVE WOUND DOWN THE INDUSTRY TO THE MINERS ADVANTAGE.
Not him. He was too busy sucking up to Moscow. He suffered from the vapours.....vodka vapours.
moneyplus is right. No civilised nation should put men into stygian darkness, many feet underground, to earn a living. It's barbaric and I feel glad for those youths who, had history been different, would they themselves been doing that thankless task.
If you have read that book: 'The ragged trousered phillantropists' don't treat it as a bible. It isn't one but an excellent read nonetheless.

Those miners would gladly be underground now than on the pathetic soul destroying retraining garbage courses they were on and are still on and move on from one to another because theres nothing else well some of them are working on the check outs at Tescos. Talk about soul destroying.

Go into the Working Mens clubs of Barnsley and Doncaster and ask them what they feel about Thatcher and the liar Heseltine who said" no pits would be closed" but only 12 months later plans came out for the closing of 25 plus pits.

YOU JUST CANT TRUST THE TORYS.

GF. Dont forget Dracula was one of them, as he changed?????????????????, dont make me laugh. Its all about who you trust most at this election more than any other in the recent past I feel. And as for the Gulf war (right or wrong) there isnt a PM in this country who wouldnt have followed Bush in, so lets stop talking silly and get that one out of the way pronto.

thier all ----ing liars trust none
of them tax tax taxed to death
we do know what it feels like

HUSTLER - in spain in the not to distant future
if can sell buisiness without giving all the gains to
.gov out of kindness and of course being a Brit (only cap used
not educated )

gf
The lucky ones are those that got out before silicosis or pneumonicosis struck.

A tories aim is the country first and himself second.
A Labourites is himself first, Socialism second and f*** the country.
(Example? Prescott. Just look at him)

lol standber!



Keep it coming, it will make his lairdship turn in his benifits queue.



Regards to all from mananaland.


ps, I see that arsehole Gerry Adams is still leading the NL plonkers a merry dance. Is it that they are trully stupid, or so idealistic that they cant see he is laughing at them?


grrrrh!

Well I never thought my posting would provoke so much debate and excellent posts they are. Well done all of you, it's good to see we do still care what ever side of the divide you're on. My point, which has been shown up in your posts is, there is nothing to choose between them. Who do you choose, who can you trust, I just don't know. If ever this country needed a real leader, now would be a good time to come forward.
Once again great posts guys. Sandber, good reply. Next subject, should prostitution be available on the NHS?

LOL

MS

Sex on the NHS? What an idea. mickeyskint for PM!

I think we should look for someone who is aware of our special
needs as a voting group....and therefore I propose..



(drum roll.....)



GoldDog for Prime Minister!!!!

;>)

Micky...........my son!

The name you are looking for is on the tip of your tongue.
The sainted Lady herself............

Baroness Thatcher

..........if only. Big sigh.

Sex on the NHS? You already have it. At least the twirlies have

..........Viagra on prescription. ~:-))

maxk. Let him know. The old *astard.

You just cant trust the Torys, vote labour. Personally Ive never had it as good as a business man over the term of this Labour government. I cant see what they have done wrong. Put the Torys back in power and the unstability will return to the market place and the shop floor. Browns done an excelent job bar cutting capital gains. We have stability and not the swings and round abouts the Torys alway produce. You know it makes sense vote for labour.

GF.

One thing that as to be done by who ever wins(labour)is that local councils have to be scrapped. The amount of waste is unbeleiavable.

Just look at the job adverts in your local rag to see what pathetic positions are being created. I dont know what the alternative is, any thoughts??????.

GF.

gf
What about the bumper bundle of non-jobs every month in the Gullible (Guardian)?
Clever clogs Brown has shunted a pile of costings onto the local Gov. You WILL pay..he'll make sure of that.
Alternative ? Vote Tory. Then you will find out the mess we are in through Socialism. Or vote Socialist and carry on dreaming.......for a while. Then the brick will drop.

Well all I know is that 'us up North' have been a lot better off under the Labour party. More Jobs, more Schools, more University places,lower prices, more positive EXPECTATION the one thing the Torys always take away from Middle Britain.

Yes we might pay a little more tax under labour, but for sure we wont see the fat cats get fatter and fatter like they would under the Torys.

Remember the Torys only look after the top 10% of people.

YOU CANT TRUST THE TORYS.

GF

Sorry GF-can't agree with you at all. The economy was stable due to Lawson and Clarke when Brown took over the good times were just around the corner. All Brown did was continue with many TORY policies, saw sense on staying out of the Euro ( TORY policy-thank goodness though Clarke wanted us in) handed over interest rate decisions to the bank of England- good sense-- and then brought in the 66+ tax rises and extra fuel duty, zillions of speeding fines which are tax by any other name!, robbed the pension funds so many poor pensioners now haven't got one, filtered off the lottery funds-think stupid Dome etc and gay black onelegged support groups etc-- took on 4 Billion more civil servants to reduce the unemployment figures or moved them to incapacity benefit which has gone up 7 times! Poured money into schools and hospitals which areeven dirtier and more badly managed than ever.
Just seen a man on working lunch saying he prefers to work but would be 50 a week better off if he stayed home and lived on his benefits. Where's the sense in that!
I used to employ 3 trainees and now have to turn them away, can't afford them. They are not productive for a year and the promised help just doesn't go anywhere. Put them on a training scheme 2 days a week for a year then tell them they are qualified---no employer would touch them let alone afford them!
Get proper training on the job and our youngsters stand a better chance, as it is they don't have a chance to get out of the colleges and don't know what service means when working in shops etc-they'd rather chat with their mates! I have no problem with pushing jobs and help up North I'm sure its needed but remember our friend Gordon is piling the bills very high indeed and his stealth taxes are going nowhere near paying for them. The **** will hit the fan after the election and only us poor mugs are here to pick up the tab!!
I should think the Tories would rather not win because they will get the blame for the mess that's around the corner the sensible answer is to leave Tony preening his way to the absolute pits and then the Tories try to sort it out in 4 years time!
Even better put 50 women up there and ban men from politics- I'd have a go! Condy's looking good in the states. cheers MP

moneyplus,

You are out of touch with reality, you can't trust anyone.

Point taken you old cynic!

gf
Prescott got his comeuppance 'up north'. They told him to sod off with his extra layers local Gov. Now he wants to knock half of the place down and make the same mistake as the fifties-sixties. Go upward.
But he is intent on a big building scheme.....down the South-East where it's jam packed already. Brand new rabbit hutches for 60,000. One builder said the only way he could get that price was if they were all wood construction.
I wonder what they would call the place? Domesville maybe? Prescotts pipedream?
They would have to ban the sale of Heinz Beanz that's for sure.

What a sad state of affaires it's all come to. Not one politician or party we can trust completely to do the right thing for this country and all it's people. No wonder we're fed up with the decision makers. And the real sad part is there's nothing on the horizon, no one better, no guiding light. So it's Hobson's choice.
Oh well think I'll roll a fat one.

MS