Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Sounds as if Osborne is creating a Banana republic for his mates and tax dodgers.

But of course the profits will be parked offshore and with relaxed Financial Regulations will disappear into the ether, or tin pot countries and offshore isles, similar to the Cayman isles, for manipulation of a suitable friendly government.

Only problem for some, is that internet patrolling is improving day by day and traceability of funds easier.

The number of safe havens are becoming fewer and fewer.

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What does "complection " mean?

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Hays,

Post 24685.

Bloody madness.

Probably down to the "Tea party" elements of the republicans, who seem to have much in common with the "looney disconnected relics" of the tory right wing.

It is an alternate spelling of complexion and one that I favour.

One lives and learns..

Hays have you not heard of Food Banks opening at record levels.?

This is FOOD BANKS not soup kitchens as used by the 'no fixed abode'.

The same working familys who are having to use credit cards, pay day loans and borrow just to eat.

Thats Tory Britain for you.

Mind I think Tory as we know it now is on borrowed times, the priveledged Eton, Bully rat pack are destined for the scrap heap imo.

Thank god they won't be recycled.

Food banks have been around for years. This nothing new. The numbers usingg them is probably an unreliable statisic as it is just put around by left wing activists. Unfortunately the UK is in debt and austerity is what is necessary.

The oracle has spoken.

It appears still out of date, disconnected but still here.

just how right wing is ukip?
all parties have their loony fringe, and assuredly ukip is no exception ....... for all that, there is a definite impression, that populist policies (wishlist) apart, ukip would place its innate character in the pretty far right spectrum of the conservative party

is this a fair assessment?
sensible comment would be appreciated

My guess is that UKIP took quite a large number of votes from Labour. One reason for thinking that is that Labour recently only got about the same percentage as they did when Brown lost the election. You would have thought that Labour would have had a huge increase in their share of the vote in a mid term election. Labour may have gained quite a few council seats, but only gained two county councils. The reason for Labour's poor showing must be UKIP.

The notion that UKIP is right wing comes from a number of reasons. Firstly the areas of immigration and the EU are regarded as right wing policies. That opinion is created because it is the opposite to Labour's stance in recent years and that would tend to make them right wing or at least appear that way. The policies are also similar to those of the BNP which is also regarded as right wing. I don't agree with that as I regard BNP and UKIP as neither right or left wing. This because the one thing they have in common is a lack of other policies upon which to make that judgement. They are both a one or two policy party.

LOL....poor old Hays in denial mode again.

At some point the penny will have to drop.

UKIP got all the votes they are going to get. Even with a further increase in their vote they are unlikely to get even one MP. They are in the position that the Libs have been in living memory. They aren't going to get a critical mass. They have no experience of government and none of even opposition. They have no candidates who have ever even been MPs. The bulk of voters are just not going to trust them with even a sniff of power as they don't have the necessary skills to put a sensible maifesto together. UKIP are appealing to the lowest common denominator of voters. The intended ones who vote for stupid policies without any thought of the real consequences.

hays - sorry m8, but that is no answer at all .... as your schoolmaster undoubtedly told you, "answer the question asked"

sticky - apart from pouring scorn, do you actually have an intelligent response the question i raised?

hays - again! ... please answer the question!

Cyners,

Does it really matter how far right UKIP are? The fact is that a significant element of the public voted for them in the council elections. They can afford to spout unworkable rhetoric because they aren't in office, and they are being egged on by the popular London press who are more than happy to lead with headlines about kicking out Qatada and with calls for an EU referendum because they are the sort of stories that sell rags and stir up a bit of good ol' patriotism.

Seriously, Cameron should have strolled into #10 on a landslide 3 years ago. He didn't, because he couldn't demonstrate the necessary leadership qualities.

He is in danger now of not being able to capture a majority two years out, unless he starts appealing more to the masses. The public simply don't understand why they have to wait until 2017 to have an EU referendum. They don't understand why they can't just stick Qatada on a plane tomorrow. And to say they're p!ssed off when they read about having to pay for Qatada's legal aid when their own housing benefit has just been cut is an understatement!

Cameron might be doing a good job on the economy, but the public can't see any tangible reward from that yet. If he doesn't sit up and take notice of the local election results, he will be the master of his own downfall. The public don't care about his 'Call me Dave' approach - the UK is shifting increasingly to the right at the moment, primarily because Cameron was unable to take control of the centre ground at a time when the centre ground needed someone with the necessary leadership qualities to take control of it. Right now, the country needs someone with a bit of spunk who isn't afraid to mince his words.

to me, on a personal level, it matters ..... though i am not a practicing jew by any stretch of the imagination, it is impossible for me to ignore the history and thus my heritage stretching back over the centuries ..... political parties with extreme leanings and appeal therefore give me cause for concern, especially in times of economic hardship .... i assume no further explanation required

Hilary
Qatada is also getting all the available benefits.

Well QED then, Haystack!

cynic
I did answer the question. I don't think that UKIP is neither left nor right leaning. They would have to have the full range of policies to really judge. I would say they are probably somewhat to right of centre but certainly not extreme right. That's not to say they are not attracting supporters from the far right. The polls showed that at least a third of BNP voters voted for UKIP. That could cause a problem for Farage at some stage. He doesn't appear to like racists voting for his party, but they are doing so already.

Hilary
According to Conservative politician Boris Johnson, Abu Qatada's residence in Britain is estimated to have cost the British taxpayer at least £500,000 in benefit payments to his family and other expenses by early 2012. The Daily Telegraph claimed the cost to be as high as £3 million by May 2012, a figure that could not be confirmed by the British Home Office.
(probably correct or even more allowing for police guards and surveillance)

In 1995 Qatada issued a fatwa justifying the killing of Muslims who renounce their faith, and of their families. In 1999 he advocated the killing of Jews and praised attacks on Americans.