Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Apologies. Forgot it was half term week.

Clubman - if mummy finds out you've been playing on her computer there'll be no going to the park for a week.

My mother died of cancer last month

I'm sure she was very proud of what a fine upstanding and intelligent role model you have become.

When I was at school people like you were made to sit in the corner during C/E assembly. Ah the good old days when you could call a spade a spade without PC bullshit

"When I was at school people like you were made to sit in the corner during C/E assembly."

I don't believe that for a moment. There's no way you went to school.

Yes Church of England and proud of it.

PC bullshit - like calling people who go to live in Thailand paedophiles? Is that you Clubman or are you just too ugly or lacking in personality to get laid in England?

Clubman-I am staggered by your arrogance. I went to a C of E as well and thank God there were no morons like you there. The school was Christs College as a matter of interest.

No mormons in my old school. 3 jews, no blacks, no ragheads, and a couple of catholics.

I am only reading half the postings and guessing the other half.

I have always thought Blair was over paid and unfortunately over here, but I don't think I would accept the job of mediator in the Middle East even at twice his pay cheque.

If parties outside the conflict zone exhibit their intolerances to the degree shown on this thread, what chance of peace in the Middle East. It will need "grown ups", or maturity and sophistication to succeed.



Consider the next generation.

Negotiations for peace take courage and ideals. with a toleration and mutual respect of each others culture, beliefs and fears.

Little is being shown by some on this thread and many are doing a disservice to the groups they think they identify with.

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Clubman is that where you learned that you are racially superior to others,including those of the Indian or Pakistani communities as well as our W.Indian friends??

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Czech Republic Supports Israel - Again

Czech Senate head says the Turkish flotilla was a provocation designed to entrap Israel - and adds that others agree, but are afraid to speak out.

Confirmed Hamas Leader Among Flotilla 'Activists'
Defense/Middle East 11:51
A confirmed Hamas terrorist leader was among the flotilla activists on the Mavi Marmara, holding a Dutch passport.

A confirmed Hamas terrorist leader was among the flotilla activists on the Mavi Marmara, holding a Dutch passport.

A confirmed terrorist leader Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu ordered the massacre

ISTANBUL (Agencies)

The head of a Turkish charity that organized the aid flotilla attacked by Israeli forces said activists had rushed some of the soldiers and snatched their weapons, but had thrown them overboard without using them.

Bulent Yildirim, chairman of the Foundation for Human Rights and Freedoms and Humanitarian Relief (IHH), denied Israeli accounts of events on board the Mavi Maramara after Israeli commandos stormed the ship on Monday in an operation that resulted in at least nine people being killed.

" We told our friends on board: We will die, become martyrs, but never let us be shown as the ones who used guns "
Bulent Yildirim"We were given the bodies of nine martyrs, but we have a longer list. There are missing people," he told reporters. "Our doctors handed over 38 injured, on our return they (the Israelis) said there were only 21 injured,"Yildirim said.

Yildirim, who was on board the vessel, said some of the activists had grabbed guns off 10 soldiers in self-defense.

"Yes, we took their guns. It would be self defense even if we fired their guns," Yildirim said, adding that people shouted to them not to use the weapons.

"We told our friends on board: "We will die, become martyrs, but never let us be shown... as the ones who used guns," Yildirim said on Thursday.

"By this decision, our friends accepted death, and we threw all the guns we took from them into the sea."

Israel said its troops fired in self-defence during an operation to seize a flotilla of ships intended to break a blockade it has imposed on the Gaza strip. Activists had attacked soldiers with batons, knives and two pistols seized from marines,

It said two of those killed had used the seized pistols to wound two commandos.

Yildirim said the Israeli commandos fired rubber bullets from close range before switching to live ammunition, after some activists on board had attacked them with chairs and bats.

"The Israelis published videos of the bats used on the ship, but they damaged their "strong Israeli army" image, as the world saw that a bunch of volunteers can neutralize them," Yildirim said.

Describing the dead as martyrs, Yilirim said his charity would continue to organize aid convoys until Israel was forced to end the blockade of 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza.

Yildirim said an Indonesian doctor was shot in the stomach as he helped a wounded Israeli soldier.


Clash on deck

" As the clash was going on upstairs on the deck, we were taking care of Israelis downstairs, as we gave them water, we were informed that our friends died there "
Bulent Yildirim"As the clash was going on upstairs on the deck, we were taking care of Israelis downstairs, as we gave them water, we were informed that our friends died there," Yildirim said.

"We told the Indonesian doctor to take the soldier back. He took his patient back, and as he was going back, they shot him 5 times in the stomach," he said.

He also described how a photographer was shot in the forehead from a distance of a meter, though it was unclear whether he witnessed it personally.

Another activist was shot as he was surrendering, he said.

"I took off my shirt and waved it, as a white flag. We thought they would stop after seeing the white flag, but they continued killing people," Yildirim said.

"A friend of ours saw two dead bodies in a toilet," he added.

One of the dead was 19-year-old old boy Furkan Dogan, a Turkish citizen with an American passport. State-run Anatolia news agency said he was hit by four bullets in the head and one in the chest.

Anatolia reported that the body of a national taekwando athlete, Cetin Topcuoglu, had also been identified.

Yildirim's Israeli interrogators told him that the soldiers were given permission to use live ammunition only 35 minutes into the operation. The charity chief said some activists had already been wounded by casing from the shock blast and gas bombs used in the initial assault.

He said soldiers had herded activists on deck and a helicopter had sprayed them with water to subdue them.

sprayed them with water to subdue them.

Was it holy water

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the Lord said unto Moses, all the jews shall have long noses; but as for he called Aaron, he shall have a square 'un

Israel complains about rocket attacks. I have seen estimates of around 13 people killed by rockets in recent times. The last incursion into Gaza killed huge numbers and devestated large numbers of dwellings. Israel are using white phosphorous bombs as a smoke screen to cover their advance. The chemicals from these fall on civilians and often children, causing horrific burns.

The blockade (siege) of Gaza has reduced most of the population into abject poverty. Children are dying from lack of medical supplies.

This is not a proportianate response, but that's Israel's trademark. I have seen several compairons recently to Gaza being equivalent to the Warsaw Ghetto.

03/06/2010 - 12:41 PM

The Israeli government is holding official contacts with its Irish counterpart in a bid to convince the Rachel Corrie aid ship to unload its shipment of relief material to Gaza Strip in the Israeli-controlled port of Ashdod.

The Hebrew radio said on Thursday that Israel was trying to convince the Irish government and the captain of the Ship to divert its destination to Ashdod to avoid another attack at sea similar to the one against the Freedom Flotilla on Monday that ended with the killing and wounding of many solidarity activists on board at the hands of the attacking Israeli commandos.

The Irish vessel is expected to reach the Gaza coast within the coming 48 hours following a technical problem that delayed its arrival at the time of the other ships in the Freedom Flotilla.

A crew member said that the ship was adamant on continuing its voyage to Gaza despite the Israeli siege.