Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Who signed the Lisbon Treaty? Labour did. The Conservatives opposed it and was planning to offer a referendum but Labour had already given away our veto so a referendum was out of the question.

The Lisbon treaty was the descendant of the Maastricht Treaty. Ireland voted against it, France was about to vote against it. Labour offered us a vote on the Treaty but avoided it because the treaty was cancelled. The Treaty was redrawn as the Lisbon Treaty and was virtually the same word for word. In the meantime Ireland voted again saying yes this time. Labour reneged on the promised vote by saying it was not the Treaty that they offered the vote on (despite it being the same wording). The UK signed the Treaty and Labour gave away our veto on new laws at the same time.

That is why we are in this mess now and we have to accept EU rules. Given another chance Labour will give away more of our sovereignty.

And if Dave has his way, he'll give away the lot...no half measures.

What was Heath doing then?


Britain Joins the European Economic Community

The Treaty was signed by Edward Heath, the British Prime Minister, in Brussels on 22 January 1972. The European Communities Bill was then introduced in the House of Commons to give parliamentary assent to Britain's membership of the EEC. Although the bill itself consisted of only 12 clauses (accepting all previous EEC regulations, the Treaty of Rome, and the terms of entry), it was subject to some 300 hours of debate before becoming law.

Britain's membership of what was then primarily an economic union came into effect on 1 January 1973. Since then the Community has developed into a much broader entity, the European Union, which was formally created by the Treaty of Maastricht of 1992. The terms of Britain's agreement to the Treaty received parliamentary approval in the European Communities (Amendment) Act of 1993, and the Union came into force in November 1993.

That's history now

I've said on a number of occasion's that these so called 'reforms' have
to be ratified by the commissioners and the judges...

Just wait until after the referendum, and you will see how they get round
this 'little' problem.

Brits "Appalled, Disgusted" At Brexit Postal Ballot 'Fraud'

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Submitted by Tyler Durden on 05/30/2016 14:00 -0400





It seems that the establishment is leaving nothing to chance. With 'Project Fear' now complete - as politicians enter the dark period of propaganda prior to the vote - the manipulation will continue until the status quo is maintained... for now, the polls suggest the establishment is going to have do more...






More: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-30/brits-appalled-disgusted-brexit-postal-ballot-fraud

it has been withdrawn
"just chance placing" says bristol ( ithink) from where it emanated
hahaha!

GOVE was a fascinating orange on tv just now .... no idea what he actually said

Gov,


Was it, "Why did I pick this side?".

For a photograph, it is remarkably life like.

,

Labour voters in the dark about party's stance on Brexit, research says
as has been pointed out here several times!

Wouldn't it be a surprise if Jeremy suddenly discovered his long lost principles and came down in favour of out?

Corbyn believes in democracy and allowing the labour party members to make their own decisions, not like the con artist party puppets having their strings pulled by party outsiders wealthy donors.

(Who is financing Nigel's little outfit?)

Fred could never in a million years think that Corbyn has for some reason gone against his beliefs .

Even Dumbos grow up!

No he's another lying little creep.

corbyn is mean to be a LEADER, which he is clearly failing to do

Blair on Andrew Marr Sunday ,another liar ,actually denying he wanted to join the Euro.

BREXIT
uncontrolled immigration is most assuredly a problem, and even more more so in joe public's eyes
it is clearly this that is influencing the polls
however, even if we do vote "out", i think the reality of being able to control immigration will prove to be something of an illusion



that said, no one has yet managed to explain away satisfactorily the massive discrepancy between the number of reported immigrants and the far greater number of NIC numbers issued, which will then entitle the holder to claim benefits