Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Cynic of course it's biased ,it's for the out case ,you can find plenty of other reporting out there .

Another fudge of a remedy to the immigration catastrophe that's enveloping the West, and created by Frau Merkel and other weak western leaders, has been announced.

the problem with the referendum result, whichever way it goes, is that the long-term effects are all guesswork
there are good arguments and credible heavy hitters on both sides

Well i know that if there is a vote to stay then the weak reforms that Cameron came back with, will over a short period be totally left by the wayside by NEW rules which will overide camerons 'reforms', that's how the EU works.

The eu will feel they can then bring in much, much closer intergration, and that would mean the UK HAVING to take their share of the uncontrolled mass immigrants flooding in from Turkey and from North Africa......

Granny,

Perhaps, even an immigrant moving next door to you.

Better start putting the bolts on the doors.

It won't be AN immigrant moving next door to you , it will be a Multitude of freeloaders make no mistake .

Vicky and JB.

I live with an immigrant, who probably is more fluent in English than either of you will ever be.

Are both of you frightened of ghosts as well as immigrants?

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Ps,

Do you have black shirts in your bottom drawers?

Manuel.

Point taken.

8-)

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EU referendum: Households 'worse off' after Brexit
18 March 2016


If the UK leaves the European Union, British households could be on average as much as £1,700 a year worse off, a think tank has said.

In the longer term, the average cost to households could be up to £6,400, according to the Centre for Economic Performance.


It says a decline in trade would cost the economy "far more" than would be gained from lower EU contributions.

But Vote Leave described the claims as "ridiculous" and lacking "credibility".


The Centre for Economic Performance (CEP) is a think tank based at the London School of Economics.

In reaching its conclusions, the CEP starts from the standpoint that about half of the UK's trade is with the EU and that as a member of the EU the UK benefits from there
being fewer barriers to trade.

It says post-Brexit the UK would do less trade with the EU because there would be higher tariffs on goods. But also there would be other non-tariff barriers to trade, such as British exporters to the EU having to prove their goods were made in the UK.

Also in the longer term the UK would get less benefit from future market integration within the EU.

Best case scenario

According to the researchers, in the best case scenario the UK negotiates a deal with the EU similar to Norway's.

Norway is a member of the European Economic Area and has a free trade agreement with the EU, so there are no tariffs on trade between the two.

However, there are some non-tariff barriers to trade. After deducting the savings that would be made by the UK no longer having to make contributions to the EU budget, the researchers say there would be a fall in UK income of 1.3% - which equates to £850 a year per household.

Fred1new (268)

Granny,

"perhaps, even an immigrant moving next door to you."

fred1new, Not exactly next door but there is Hindu's and sikh's living close by, ALL here came by the legal route, and NO rapes or abuse or religious indoctranators from these fine upstanding citizens, who have intergrated wonderfully into the British way of life...They don't threaten to blow us up or chop our heads off, or have the flag of isis flying over Downing St..

London School of Economics and the CEP is a Left wing EU funded organisation and made up of Left wingers who's ideology is on the principle of a european socialist dictatorship..


And a short history on the incompetant CBI....


The CBI has a long history of blunders, the CBI's predecessor the Federation of Brtish Industries backed British membership of the International gold standard which led to HUGE unemployment.

A study said the Federation supported economic appeasement with Nazi Germany, 'because they recognised the benefits(LOL!) to the trading community.

The CBI backed the exchange rate mechanism in 1987, it called for full UK membership , arguing that it could increase Britains share of world trade. In fact it led to interest rates hitting 15% with millions of home owners going into negative equity...

In 1999 the CBI argued that joining the euro would deliver significant benefits to the UK economy.

The CBI has consistently supported transferring control from the British Parliment and courts to EU intsitutions..... (Published in the DM)

Wasn't that in the heyday of Tory Government mismanagement?

Wasn't there a fellow called Norman and another Walter Mitty figure pursuing their ideology?

Another C+P.

"On the 8th of October 1990, Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher entered the pound into the ERM mechanism at DM 2.95 to the pound. Hence, if the exchange rate ever neared the bottom of its permitted range, DM 2.773, the government would be obliged to intervene. With UK inflation at three times the rate of Germany's, interest rates at 15% and the "Lawson Boom" about to bust, the conditions for joining the ERM were not favourable at that time."

YES but the europhile CBI wanted to join the ERM just like they wanted the UK to take up the euro...They are incompetent when it comes to most of their threats and predictions.

Britain's NHS can't survive staying in the European Union

Do you prefer the EU or the NHS? The referendum gives us a chance to keep our national health service alive, safe from open door immigration and TTIP




By Louise Bours MEP, Ukip's health spokesman

10:48AM GMT 21 Mar 2016




Anyone inclined to stay in the EU needs to ask themselves this one simple question. "Do I prefer the EU or the NHS?" because we can’t have both, and I’ll now prove it.


The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership will change our NHS from being about public health to being about private wealth.


It’s not just Ukip that know it, trade unions, health workers, and even a top EU law QC knows it, along with the public who have signed anti-TTIP petitions in their hundreds of thousands.


At its core is a series of rules to protect the investment of American health corporations; you know the ones, they make billions of dollars of profit in a country where it’s easier to get shot than get medical care.



More: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12196908/Britains-NHS-cant-survive-staying-in-the-European-Union.html

LEAVE odds as low as 13/8 but generally 7/4 & 15/8. Three weeks ago they were generally 11/4.

REMAIN odds are steadyish around 4/9 & 2/5
2517

The problem is that the common market is one big f----p......we all know it.....well there we are DC has given us the opportunity to exit ....frankly I think he's bonkers to have brought this referendum forward...so what to do....?....I'm seriously considering voting to exit...I would feel better with myself......but remain in two minds....

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sajid javid, who is a strong supporter of staying in, hit the nail on the head .......
uk will be stronger "in" in a reformed eu

as i have posted before, the problem is that currently the eu plutocrats have no particular interest in changing anything .... for them, everything is lovely and cosy with their bank accounts growing like japanese knotweed

if uk votes to leave, though i suspect that will not come to pass, then there'll be the most awful mess, but it may well provide the catalyst for a root and branch reform of the whole eu structure and democratic process within it

not that you can trust the express, but herewith, being the headline of a long article published on wednesday......

Now French voters call for FREXIT after Germany face demands for EU referendum

Certainly will be the end If France votes out. Only needs one of the Bigger eu countries to leave. Good so even if we stay in there will be other factors.