Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

sajid javid, who is a strong supporter of staying in, hit the nail on the head .......
uk will be stronger "in" in a reformed eu

as i have posted before, the problem is that currently the eu plutocrats have no particular interest in changing anything .... for them, everything is lovely and cosy with their bank accounts growing like japanese knotweed

if uk votes to leave, though i suspect that will not come to pass, then there'll be the most awful mess, but it may well provide the catalyst for a root and branch reform of the whole eu structure and democratic process within it

not that you can trust the express, but herewith, being the headline of a long article published on wednesday......

Now French voters call for FREXIT after Germany face demands for EU referendum

Certainly will be the end If France votes out. Only needs one of the Bigger eu countries to leave. Good so even if we stay in there will be other factors.

You also have Netherlands and the Czech Republic wanting a referendum.

yup - saw that too

as i said b4, brexit could well provide the catalyst for much needed root and branch reform

If the UK votes out. The exit negotiations are going to be critical, ie eu regulations and concessions. Do we have a decent negotiating government that is capable. I am not so sure from recent tests.

The other countries won't get a referendum. It is very unlikely that the stories in the Express are true. No other stories in it are usually true.

Why not ?

Withdrawal_from_the_European_Union

Well this is it....the EU needs a new deal fairer for all !.....everybody is fed up with paying over the odds for everything.....

When the EU have had the chance to offer some meaningful reform, even with the weak negotiations from the snake oil salesman 'Call me Dave' they snubbed the opportunity, believing, and rightly so that 'Dave' wanted to stay in...They will never reform, they'd rather see the whole project fail..

Sajid javid was a euro-sceptic before the 'false' reforms... Then he thought about his career before country(?) and turned tail.........

RF

Not all countries dislike the EU. The recent and poorer countries are net gainers from their deals.

The remain side claim that if the UK voted to leave
then the EU would put trade tariffs on trade deals,
but from Iceland all the way to Turkey no country
outside the eu have any tariffs put on the trade deals..

And another remain side falsehood, when they accuse
the LEAVE side of wanting to have a similar deal with
that of Norway but that Norway have to abide by 70% of EU rules...

That is also false as its only 9%....


If you watch BBC iplayer, the Daily Politics 2/3/16, and the
interview with Mathew Hancock..

Ipsos MORI have released the EU referendum figures from their monthly political monitor. Topline figures are

REMAIN 49%, LEAVE 41%, DK/WNV 10%.

Jeremy Hunt ( have i spelled his last name correctly) probably not , says leaving the EU will damage our NHS !
Of course it will Jeremy.

When the UK, leave the EU, I think it will be the start of the end of the EU.
next France. then it will descend into turmoil and collapse. 5 years all over !

Unfortunately, nearly all the polls indicate staying in.

8-)

Depends on who you ask.

Has anyone ever been asked/answered a poll such as this?

Yes and most of the polls indicated at the last GE that it was going to be a hung parliament...And it turned out that 'THEY'D ASKED THE WRONG VOTERS!!!...

Same has could be happening with the referendum...Are they asking the multi nationals or the Liberals, or do they keep phoning Downing st......LOL!

It is clearly going to be an in vote. I would prefer for us to leave, but it is so unlikely.

The polls weren't wrong because they asked the wrong people.