Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Israel must send Turkey a clear message that if Turkish warships are sent to accompany the next flotilla trying to break the embargo on Gaza, these will be considered acts of war by Israel , Uzi Dayan, former deputy Chief of General Staff, told Army Radio Monday morning.

"If the Turkish prime minister joins such a flotilla, Dayan said, we should make clear beforehand this would be an act of war, and we would not try to take over the ship he was on, but would sink it.

If Israel doesn't make this clear beforehand, the Turks will grow increasingly self-assured, and we may indeed find ourselves facing such a scenario, which could have been averted.

Uzi Dayan attacked a letter sent by Navy veterans calling for a commission of inquiry as confused and irresponsible,

Turkey's Cihan news agency said Monday that the Turkey is considering canceling all agreements signed with Israel in the wake of its deadly attack on the Freedom Flotilla aid convoy.

Deputy head of the ruling justice and development party in Turkey Omer Celik confirmed this information in a televised interview saying that his country will revoke all agreements, including the military ones, with Israel.

Israel, in this regard, expressed serious concern, after the deterioration of its relations with Ankara, about losing its Turkey-based intelligence station, which is considered a linchpin in monitoring Iran.

Even nuttier than the Pope!

Former Israeli Chief Rabbi Eliyahu dead at 81

JERUSALEM A former chief rabbi who encouraged Israelis to oppose removal of settlements and blamed Reform Jewry for the Holocaust died Monday, a Jerusalem hospital said. He was 81.

Mordechai Eliyahu served as chief rabbi for Israel's Jews of Mideast origin from 1983-1993.

He was born in the Old City of Jerusalem in 1929, the son of a famed Jewish sage and mystic of Iraqi descent.

After his term as chief rabbi, he became a lightning rod for extreme nationalist Israeli elements, especially religiously motivated settlers in the West Bank and Gaza.

He led prayers at a mass rally in Jerusalem in 2004 against Israel's intention to pull out of Gaza and some settlements in the West Bank. The plan was implemented despite settler resistance in 2005.

Eliyahu outraged many with his declarations, some linking current events with historical occurrences.

In 2004, he stated that the tsunami that killed 230,000 people in Asia and Africa was divine retribution for their governments' support for concessions to the Palestinians.

In 2006, a group of Reform Jews in Israel, among them some Holocaust survivors, filed a complaint with police after Eliyahu said in a radio interview that the Nazi murder of 6 million European Jews was punishment for changes to Jewish ritual initiated by the Reform movement, which first gained prominence in Germany.

Eliyahu suffered from failing health over the past year.

He is survived by his wife and four children, one of whom, Shmuel, is chief rabbi of the northern Israeli town of Safed. He was to be buried late Monday in Jerusalem.

A former Chief Rabbi of Israel, Elyahu was a chief mentor for the Gush Emunim settler movement.

However, Elyahu was especially notorious for advocating ethnic cleansing and murdering non-combatants including children if the crimes are politically expedient for Israel.

According to Israeli writer Yair Sheleg, Kook taught that the difference between the Jewish soul and the souls of all non-Jews, no matter what their rank and level of understanding, is bigger and deeper than the difference between the human soul and the animal soul.


In 2007, he urged the Israeli army to employ Nazi methods against Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip.

If they dont stop after we kill 100, then we must kill a thousand. And if they dont stop after we kill 1000, then we must kill 10,000. If they dont stop we must kill 100,000, even a million. Whatever it takes to make them stop, Shumel Elyhau, the rabbis son, quoted his father as saying.


"All civilians living in Gaza are collectively guilty for Kassam attacks on Sderot", former Sephardi chief rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu has written in a letter to Israels Prime Minister. Eliyahu ruled that there was absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza aimed at stopping the rocket launchings.

Cut and pastes you are unlikely to see from Haystack....


Photo by: Associated Press Turkeys support of Hamas worries PA
By KHALED ABU TOAMEH
06/08/2010 01:38


We want blockade lifted, but Hamas must end Gaza coup.
Talkbacks (24) The Palestinian Authority is concerned about Turkeys increased support for Hamas, a PA official in Ramallah said on Monday.

The official said that the PA leadership was unhappy with Turkeys policy toward Hamas, especially with regard to pressure to lift the blockade on the Gaza Strip unconditionally.

Turkeys policy is emboldening Hamas and undermining the Palestinian Authority, the official told The Jerusalem Post.

Of course we want to see the blockade lifted, but Hamas must also end its coup in the Gaza Strip and accept an Egyptian proposal for achieving reconciliation with Fatah.

PA concerned about opening of the Rafah border

The PA is also concerned the reopening of the Rafah border crossing to Sinai would enable Hamas to tighten its grip on the Strip.

We wish to remind the Turkish and Egyptian governments that the border crossing was controlled by the Palestinian Authority before Hamas launched its coup in 2007, the official added. If the Rafah border crossing is going to be reopened, that should be done in coordination with us and not with Hamas.

Azzam al-Ahmed, a top Fatah official in the West Bank, was quoted over the weekend as saying that he was opposed to the lifting of the blockade on the Gaza Strip until Hamas agreed to end the dispute with his faction.

Ahmed stressed that there was no humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip because the PA government was sending aid through Israeli border crossings.

Abbas visits Erdogan in Istanbul

PA President Mahmoud Abbas, who visited Istanbul on Monday, was said to have relayed to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan his concern over the rapprochement between Turkey and Hamas, the official revealed.

Erdogan, according to the official, offered to mediate between the PA and Hamas -an offer that Abbas accepted.

Erdogan declared that ending the power struggle between the rival Palestinian parties is a must. He claimed that Hamas had also welcomed a mediation role for Turkey.

Erdogan was speaking to reporters during a joint press conference with Syrian President Bashar Assad, who was also visiting Turkey.

Divisions should not continue under the current circumstances, Erdogan said. I believe we can make peace between Hamas and Fatah.

Fatah and Hamas do hate each other and Fatah's power has diminished due to the strength of Hams's support.

The phrase you quote "coup in the Gaza Strip" is incorrect. Hamas was elected in Gaza. Of course the PA is worried about Turkey getting closer to Hamas as it damages the PA's talks attempts. I do agree with most of the post above, but the Palestinian Authority does not speak for Gaza anymore and is toothless these days as is Fatah. There will be no peace deals between Fatah and Hamas. It is clearly not in Hamas's interests to be talking with Fatah. In fact the situation for Fatah is even worse. With Fatah becoming increasingly weak, Hamas is attampting to increase its influence in the West Bank. It already has a lot of support there. The lack of progress of negociations by the PA and Fatah is creating a power vacuum in the West Bank. Hamas are trying to fill that.

The current problems that Israel is facing over the blockade and the flotillas is nothing compared to what is coming over the next few months. This is just the beginning of a massive offensive by Hamas. Expect to see some interesting tactics used by them.

it's very strange, but i reckon 95% of the posts on this thread have diarrhea ... must be something in the water

Dunno if this a hoax:

http://www.advfn.com/cmn/fbb/thread.php3?id=22642641


Sorry if this has allready been seen here. I just received by Email.

edited

Pecker1 - 8 Jun'10 - 16:42 - 85685 of 85698

yikyak,

Very sad but true I'm afraid. He will be sorely missed by his friends.

I'd love to know what some of these insane f*ckers that post on this thread actually trade or what their market strategies are, after all, this at least has the vermeer of a financial website. I wonder if Diana and Elvis will make an appearance. Then again Robert Maxwell or Lord Lucan...
Night night AJ, sleep well

Cynic,

If the thread offends you so much, why not be brave and not read it.

Promise not to mention you, if you do so.

08/06/2010 - 05:40 PM

STOCKHOLM, (PIC)-- The organization of "Jews for a Just Peace in the Middle East" in Europe and "Jews for Justice for Palestinians" in Britain have announced their intention to send a ship loaded with aid to the Gaza Strip in an effort to break the Israeli siege imposed on the enclave. The aid vessel is expected to set sail in the second half of July.

According to organizers, the ship will carry gifts from schoolchildren in Europe, in addition to medicine and medical equipment. The ship will also be covered by television stations worldwide. Organizers said that the main objective of the ship is to "break the siege on Gaza. This collective punishment on the civilian population is unlawful."

Lutz Edith, one of the organizers of the ship, said, "Israel has shown the world its brutality and heinousness when it attacked the Freedom Flotilla."

Another aid convoy from Algeria will set out on Wednesday towards Gaza, after the Guidance and Reform Society, which organized the convoy, obtained a license from the Egyptian embassy in Algeria, which also approved of granting visas to the delegation accompanying the convoy, after a wait of nearly one week.

The embassy delayed in granting the license requiring the organizers to provide correspondence from the Algerian Foreign Ministry. Organizers made it clear to the embassy that their work is independent of official authorities, and after a long wait, the embassy finally approved. The delegation, which consists of 13 members, including journalists, businessmen and politicians, will travel tomorrow after following procedures for obtaining a license to cross to Gaza when it reaches Cairo.

One could always adopt Fred's own strategy which is to put his head in the sand by squelching those whose arguments he finds difficult to deal with.

re Ashley James death

please note that the original thread has been superseded by this one: http://www.advfn.com/cmn/fbb/thread.php3?id=22642711

Hi G,

I phoned the guy whose phone number is in the email who confirmed that it is true.

Cheers

JC

This is not compulsory reading for Splat or Cynic.


Excerpt of an Interesting article from. Worth reading the whole article.

http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100609/OPINION/706089918/1080/NATIONAL


Victimhood is not an excuse for Israeli injustice

Jonathan Cook

Last Updated: June 08. 2010 9:29PM UAE / June 8. 2010 5:29PM GMT

Why are Israelis so indignant at the international outrage that has greeted their countrys lethal attack last week on a flotilla of civilian ships taking aid to Gaza?

Israelis have not responded in any of the ways we might have expected.

There has been little soul-searching about the morality, let alone legality, of soldiers invading ships in international waters and killing civilians. In the main, Israelis have not been interested in asking tough questions of their political and military leaders about why the incident was handled so badly. And only a few commentators appear concerned about the diplomatic fall-out.

Instead, Israelis are engaged in a Kafkaesque conversation in which the military attack on the civilian ships is characterised as a legitimate act of self-defence, as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called it, and the killing of nine aid activists is transformed into an attempted lynching of our soldiers by terrorists.

Etc.

See this for a photo of Ashley on the left

http://www.moneyam.com/TradersRoom/posts.php?tid=13911&page=3

Bloomin' heck, H, I wondered if you'd dig those up. I see you caught me - and only me - with the obligatory glass of red wine in hand.

How on earth is it possible that this amazing
story never made it to the US news?

A survivor of the 1967 Israeli attack on the
USS Liberty was also on the Gaza relief ship.

Video:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/859.html

- Brasscheck
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/859.html

Bit long winded but interesting perspective on the "Free Gaza Movement"....

David Harris Executive Director, AJC, and Senior Associate, St. Antony's College, Oxford University Posted: June 6, 2010 08:14 AM

To the Free Gaza Movement :-

According to your website, you describe yourselves as a "human rights movement."

You proclaim: "We respect the human rights of everyone, regardless of race, tribe, religion, ethnicity, nationality, citizenship or language."

And yet nowhere is there evidence of your respect for the human rights of Israelis, who've been the targets of massive human rights violations by Hamas and other terror groups operating freely in Gaza.

Are human rights indivisible, or only permitted for the groups you preselect?

Actually, you answer that question at a deeper level when you assert that: "We recognize the right of all Palestinian refugees and exiles and their heirs to return to their homes in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories.... This is an individual and not a collective right, and cannot be negotiated except by the individual."

In other words, not only do Israelis, who want nothing more than to live free of missile and mortar attacks from Gaza, have no such right, but the country in which they live has no right to exist. That's precisely what your formula means.

So much for being a "human rights movement" and respecting "the human rights of everyone."

Clearly, if it's not about pointing the finger at Israel -- or, should I say, giving Israel the finger -- then you're simply not interested.

When Egypt occupied Gaza until 1967 and imposed draconian military rule, where were you to protest and organize flotillas and "humanitarian convoys"?

When in 2005 Israel left Gaza to determine its own destiny -- for the first time in its history, I might add -- where were you to encourage investment and job creation?

When Hamas violently ousted the Palestinian Authority from Gaza in 2007, where were you to express support for the PA?

When Hamas opted to follow a dead-end strategy to turn Gaza into a pariah state and terrorist redoubt, where were you to press for a truly "free Gaza"?

When Christians were attacked in Gaza by jihadists, where were you to demonstrate solidarity with the victims?

When Egypt sealed its border with Gaza and, later, announced the construction of a steel wall along the frontier, where were you?

And when officials today live lavishly in Gaza and humanitarian supplies are siphoned off to privileged groups and gangs, where are you?

No, it's only about Israel. Nothing else matters. Your agenda is obvious. Your motives are transparent. And surrounding yourselves with a few convenient Jews doesn't make you any more credible.

But if you still want to persuade the world that you're a "human rights movement," here's an idea.

June 12th is the first anniversary of the rigged Iranian elections.

Here's what one human rights group had to say on Iran: "Iran's latest presidential election on June 12, 2009, took place against a backdrop of discrimination, worsening repression of dissent and violent unrest. Amnesty International continues to document serious human rights violations, including detention of human rights defenders and other prisoners of conscience, unfair trials, torture and mistreatment in detention, deaths in custody and the application of the death penalty. Iran has one of the highest number of recorded executions of any country in the world.... Furthermore, Iran executes more people than any other country in the world except for China. Iran is also the only country in the world that continues to execute juvenile offenders."

Moreover, the group reported: "Iran is now witnessing sweeping restrictions on the use of communications technology, including telecommunications, satellite broadcasts and internet access, a ban on peaceful demonstrations, armed attacks on students in university premises, as well as the arbitrary arrest of political activists, students, journalists, and human rights defenders, many -- if not all -- of whom are prisoners of conscience."

There will be a global day of action on June 12th demanding an end to human rights abuses in Iran. You're missing from the sponsoring groups. How could that be? After all, you define yourselves as a "human rights movement."

Surely, the fact that human rights defenders in Iran -- your presumed compatriots -- are in jail should mobilize you, not to mention state-sanctioned murder of minors.

Oops, I forgot. Israel isn't involved. That disqualifies Iran from consideration.

In fact, if you truly were a human rights movement, and based on your well-honed methods, you'd be organizing another flotilla as we speak.

You'd recruit your "activists" to be on board. You'd proclaim your solidarity with the dissidents, the prisoners of conscience, and those on death row. And, come what may, you'd head for the Iranian coast. Luckily for you, you'd discover that Iran has 1100 miles of shoreline along the Persian (or is it Arabian?) Gulf and the Gulf of Oman.

Actually, you've got another option as well -- logistically easier and cheaper to boot.

Lo and behold, Turkey shares a 310-mile land border with Iran. Given your cozy ties with the Turkish government and Turkish "humanitarian" groups (who, by the way, could use some education about Gandhi before being deployed again), why not plan to cross the frontier in convoys loaded with supplies for Iran's human rights activists? And don't forget to bring the signs to unfurl in front of the media you'll invite: "Free Iran," "End human rights oppression in Iran," "Women deserve equality," "Gays have rights," "Stop capital punishment," "We remember Neda," "Ballots, not bullets," "No more torture," "Persecution of Baha'i must end."

But you don't give a hoot about the well-being of millions of Iranians, whose human rights are being massively violated. You wouldn't take a single day off from your relentless anti-Israel campaign to assist the Iranian people.

Why is it that a self-proclaimed "human rights movement" doesn't care about the fate of Iranians desperately in need of outside support? Why would you never think about taking your show on the road to Iran, whatever risks might await you? Why is that you and your Turkish friends wouldn't spend a moment on the subject?

Alas, the reason is obvious. Israel isn't involved. You can't pin the blame on Jerusalem. Those waiting for you on the border don't wear an Israeli uniform (and don't abide by the same strict code of military conduct, either).

So what does that make you?

Nothing more than a Hamas booster club seeking Israel's disappearance, while posing as a "human rights movement."

i wonder if phosgene has the same effect as N20 ..... it would be good if someone decided to experiment in that benighted region

Ideas for reverse flotillas gain steam By ABE SELIG 06/08/2010 04:01

Israeli groups mull sailing toward Turkey to "remind the world of Turkish hypocrisy."

Although most of the recent talk regarding flotillas has revolved around ships sailing toward Gaza, at least two plans have emerged for reverse flotillas from Israel toward Turkey to highlight what organizers have labeled the Turks shameless hypocrisy in their criticisms of the Jewish state.

The most ambitious of the two plans has been devised by members of Israels National Student Union, who this week announced their intention to set sail toward Turkey, in an effort to bring humanitarian aid to the oppressed people of Turkish Kurdistan and to members of the Turkish Armenian minority.

Student Union chairman Boaz Torporovsky, who has been leading the reverse flotilla charge, told The Jerusalem Post on Monday, Hundreds of people have volunteered for the flotilla, and many more are contacting us all the time for ways they can help.

Our plan is to deliver much-needed humanitarian assistance to the Kurds of Turkey, who by the way outnumber Israelis and Palestinians combined, he said.

And to show that Turkey has its own issues when it comes to the treatment of its minorities, which they should consider before criticizing us.

Torporovsky added that the National Student Union members had two separate flotilla ideas, both of which they hoped to embark on soon. The first was a flotilla of private yachts that would head out to sea if additional Gaza-bound flotillas entered Israeli waters.

We would like to greet them at sea, he said. And explain to them, peacefully we dont want any violence what it is thats really going on here.

Wed like to show them the truth and help them understand that the reality here is not what theyve been told.

Torporovsky said that many yacht owners had already volunteered for that phase of the plan, and that he and his colleagues were preparing for the arrival of a number of Gaza-bound ships, of European or even Iranian origin.

The second phase of the National Student Union members flotilla plan would be the more ambitious journey to Turkey, though Torporovsky admitted they were hard-pressed when it came to funding it.

We need three things to pull this part off, he said.

Money, logistical support and balls and weve got the last two things covered.

But its here that we really get into the shameless hypocrisy of the Turks, because while they criticize us day and night, they are oppressing the Kurds and silencing the world when it comes to recognition of the Armenian Genocide.

Torporovsky said his group had already found a captain for the vessel, a retired Israel Navy sailor, but the ship itself was proving harder to acquire.

Its not easy to find a large, sea-bound vessel, he said.

But were looking, and were raising funds, and as soon as were able to do it, we will.

But the reverse-flotilla talk hasnt stopped there.

Another sea-bound venture is being organized in an effort to draw attention to Turkeys own controversial policies this time to Cyprus, to call for an end to the Turkish occupation of the islands northern half and is being organized by Meretz activist Pinchas Har-Zahav, and his son Haim, who has also signed on for the voyage.

The group is also set to include Alex Goldfarb, who was an MK with the Tzomet and Yiud parties from 1992 to 1996, and is being subsidized by an unnamed wealthy Israeli.

Speaking to the Post on Monday, Haim Har-Zahav said the goal of the voyage was to remind the world that Turkey is not innocent.

If Uruguay or Iceland were the ones criticizing us so harshly, it might be a different story, he said. But were talking about a country that only seven years after [the Six Day War and the beginning of Israeli control of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank] began occupying Cyprus.

Were talking about a country that has systematically killed the Kurds and refuses to acknowledge their role in the Armenian Genocide, he said.

And so no, we will not accept this. The hypocrisy has to stop here.

Har-Zahav added that the ships passengers were not looking for a violent confrontation and if told to turn back, they would.

But we feel that its important for us to show and remind the world that Turkey is not a righteous country, but a near-rogue state, and that we, the Israeli people, are not suckers.