This sums up much of my thinking - I hold a few and swing trade a few and even trade intraday sometimes ......

I think there is a lot of slack that management can cut out of the costs and would also anticipate sector consolidation ..... good value currently and have been holding their own in a falling market. Lot of US interest.

ains


Edited by Dominic White
(Filed: 08/02/2003)


Texting makes MmO2 sexy but it's also risky

More and more Britons are discovering the joys of textual intercourse. In the month of December, we fired off more than 50m mobile messages a day, and next Friday (that's Valentine's Day, folks, in case you'd forgotten) we'll send considerably more than that.



It emerged this week that the chief beneficiary of this craze is MmO2 . BT's former mobile phone division revealed that it gets a higher proportion of revenues from texting than any of the other three operators.

Revenue from messaging grew at its fastest rate ever in the last quarter, up 19pc, and data services as a proportion of MmO2 's revenue rose to 17.7pc from 15.6pc.

More good news was the rise in MmO2 's average revenues per customer. ARPUs, as nerdy analysts like to dub them, grew by 5pc to 243 in the UK and by 9pc in Germany to 212.

MmO2 now has 19.1m subscribers and in Britain it may be the smallest player, with 11.9m users, but it is growing faster than its rivals - testament to the success of its rebranding from BT Cellnet.

Only 114,000 of its 503,000 new UK subscribers were higher-spending contract customers, but MmO2 claims its pre-pay customers have started spending more than before.

Customer growth in Germany, which continues to be dominated by T-Mobile and Vodafone, is less impressive and the MmO2 share price ascribes little or no value to this part of the business.

That seems unfair, given the fact that the group has attracted higher-spending customers and has made a decent fist of turning the operation around. An eventual sale or merger is almost as inevitable as a disposal of the Dutch unit, which is losing customers.

MmO2 's larger rival Vodafone is trading on a free cashflow yield of 6pc, while at 49p this week, MmO2 's equivalent valuation remains negative. It might not have Vodafone's scale or profitability but there is room for upside. A risky buy.

What's your entry point? Its now @53.5. I should've held off. Got 1/2 more @53.5. I cannot believe I've bloody done it again. It's now fallen to 53.25 what next?

any time now
- have an order set up but as you say a halp penny counts

So let me know what your entry point is then. Is it @53 or now, all seem cheap?

in at just less than 53.5

intraday trading chart looks promising

L2 buy orders increasing


Buy orders Sell orders
Num(%) Num Vol(%) Vol VWAP Vol Vol(%) Num Num(%)
1% (68.18%) 15 (73.61%) 3,222,152 53.09 - 53.97 1,155,415 (26.39%) 7 (31.82%)
5% (70.37%) 19 (74.49%) 4,093,627 53.00 - 54.06 1,401,891 (25.51%) 8 (29.63%)
10% (59.52%) 25 (63.83%) 5,557,669 52.59 - 54.74 3,149,271 (36.17%) 17 (40.48%)
15% (48.15%) 26 (59.14%) 5,757,669 52.50 - 55.53 3,978,598 (40.86%) 28 (51.85%)
50% (42.86%) 27 (54.15%) 5,762,569 52.49 - 56.44 4,880,204 (45.85%) 36 (57.14%)
100% (42.65%) 29 (53.87%) 5,774,689 52.45 - 56.54 4,945,896 (46.13%) 39 (57.35%)
all (41.43%) 29 (53.84%) 5,774,689 52.45 - 56.62 4,950,196 (46.16%) 41 (58.57%

ticking up as buyers on sets come in

I wish I'd waited. Can I also use this chart or can you let me know how to obtain it. I really need more assistance as I got in way too early. Can you tell me what VOD L2 looks like also and if possible what the charting tool shows. I've sent you mail so if possible reply and give me a link or eMail the chart software. Thanks.

My charts are supplied by Market Eye Realtime and cabn show whatever you want to show ..... expensive though - 2K a year

Have you tried the free offer on L2 - you might find it worthwhile.



Buy orders Sell orders
Num(%) Num Vol(%) Vol VWAP Vol Vol(%) Num Num(%)
1% (68.00%) 17 (70.55%) 3,722,152 53.14 - 53.91 1,553,915 (29.45%) 8 (32.00%)
5% (70.00%) 21 (71.84%) 4,593,627 53.05 - 53.99 1,800,391 (28.16%) 9 (30.00%)
10% (60.00%) 27 (63.06%) 6,057,669 52.66 - 54.63 3,547,771 (36.94%) 18 (40.00%)
15% (49.12%) 28 (58.84%) 6,257,669 52.57 - 55.37 4,377,098 (41.16%) 29 (50.88%)
50% (43.94%) 29 (54.26%) 6,262,569 52.57 - 56.24 5,278,704 (45.74%) 37 (56.06%)
100% (43.66%) 31 (54.00%) 6,274,689 52.53 - 56.34 5,344,396 (46.00%) 40 (56.34%)
all (42.47%) 31 (53.98%) 6,274,689 52.53 - 56.41 5,348,696 (46.02%) 42 (57.53%

buyers are there but someone seems keen on keeping them down

We are on the

Buy orders Sell orders
Num(%) Num Vol(%) Vol VWAP Vol Vol(%) Num Num(%)
1% (60.00%) 9 (69.55%) 1,754,707 53.61 - 54.34 768,269 (30.45%) 6 (40.00%)
5% (66.67%) 22 (75.41%) 6,116,629 53.23 - 54.80 1,994,904 (24.59%) 11 (33.33%)
10% (68.29%) 28 (75.96%) 6,950,253 53.14 - 54.91 2,199,950 (24.04%) 13 (31.71%)
15% (54.39%) 31 (72.24%) 7,978,055 52.84 - 55.95 3,066,477 (27.76%) 26 (45.61%)
50% (49.23%) 32 (66.92%) 7,982,955 52.84 - 56.97 3,945,883 (33.08%) 33 (50.77%)
100% (49.28%) 34 (66.67%) 7,995,075 52.81 - 57.07 3,996,575 (33.33%) 35 (50.72%)
all (47.89%) 34 (66.65%) 7,995,075 52.81 - 57.17 4,000,875 (33.35%) 37 (52.11%)
move .... massive sets buys going through now

Thanks Ains. What does it look like for VOD now. Will that tick lower or follow O2? So will it end around 55 today and how about Fri? Just heard on bbg that JPM cut Vodafone revenue growth for this yr from 11% to 6.5% Hence negativity.

tomorrow will be quiet imho ..... everytime it starts to rally the sellers/shorters comee in .... its going to be a long afternoon - US futures are below fair value with nas -3.5. Our markets are holding steady at minus 0.75 % with sector three times as bad at -2%





Buy orders Sell orders
Num(%) Num Vol(%) Vol VWAP Vol Vol(%) Num Num(%)
1% (62.50%) 10 (62.94%) 1,814,534 53.63 - 54.36 1,068,269 (37.06%) 6 (37.50%)
5% (67.65%) 23 (72.91%) 6,176,456 53.24 - 54.75 2,294,904 (27.09%) 11 (32.35%)
10% (69.77%) 30 (74.52%) 7,311,808 53.13 - 54.85 2,499,950 (25.48%) 13 (30.23%)
15% (56.90%) 33 (71.86%) 8,339,610 52.84 - 55.77 3,266,477 (28.14%) 25 (43.10%)
50% (51.52%) 34 (66.81%) 8,344,510 52.84 - 56.77 4,145,883 (33.19%) 32 (48.48%)
100% (51.43%) 36 (66.57%) 8,356,630 52.81 - 56.87 4,196,575 (33.43%) 34 (48.57%)
all (50.00%) 36 (66.55%) 8,356,630 52.81 - 56.97 4,200,875 (33.45%) 36 (50.00%





Buy orders Sell orders
Num(%) Num Vol(%) Vol VWAP Vol Vol(%) Num Num(%)
1% (52.24%) 35 (50.12%) 3,945,597 120.34 - 121.65 3,926,120 (49.88%) 32 (47.76%)
5% (47.06%) 48 (37.09%) 5,211,497 120.10 - 122.22 8,841,219 (62.91%) 54 (52.94%)
10% (47.74%) 74 (44.07%) 8,486,347 118.75 - 122.71 10,768,492 (55.93%) 81 (52.26%)
15% (42.11%) 88 (38.85%) 8,802,012 118.53 - 124.37 13,851,925 (61.15%) 121 (57.89%)
50% (41.48%) 95 (38.32%) 8,897,887 118.39 - 124.71 14,324,560 (61.68%) 134 (58.52%)
100% (40.53%) 107 (37.05%) 9,082,136 117.84 - 126.08 15,433,874 (62.95%) 157 (59.47%)
all (39.78%) 107 (37.02%) 9,082,136 117.84 - 126.26 15,453,787 (62.98%) 162 (60.22%)

Updated VOD L2 looks quite weak? Can you see offer going below 120.75 & to what?

I really prefer not to comment on VOD as I don't trade them or track them much

Can you please provide the updated VOD L2 as it's quite weak? US Jobs data -ve but NF Productivity has just been corrected: 1.9% vs est 2%. -0.1%, +0.9% in Q1 & Q4.

Buy orders Sell orders
Num(%) Num Vol(%) Vol VWAP Vol Vol(%) Num Num(%)
1% (61.33%) 46 (65.20%) 10,064,373 120.19 - 121.56 5,371,614 (34.80%) 29 (38.67%)
5% (53.70%) 58 (50.59%) 10,479,373 120.14 - 122.09 10,236,713 (49.41%) 50 (46.30%)
10% (51.55%) 83 (52.04%) 13,743,923 119.29 - 122.58 12,663,986 (47.96%) 78 (48.45%)
15% (45.12%) 97 (47.17%) 14,059,588 119.15 - 124.06 15,747,419 (52.83%) 118 (54.88%)
50% (44.26%) 104 (46.60%) 14,155,463 119.05 - 124.38 16,220,054 (53.40%) 131 (55.74%)
100% (42.96%) 116 (45.28%) 14,339,712 118.70 - 125.62 17,329,368 (54.72%) 154 (57.04%)
all (42.18%) 116 (45.25%) 14,339,712 118.70 - 125.78 17,349,280 (54.75%) 159 (57.82%)

Ains. What's all the recent selling prior to US open all about. Level withstanding

I don't know ..... US has a pre open like we do .....

Can you provide updated L2 for both please. I've really mucked up & need US +ve.