Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

ever had a morgage / loan how relentless the payments are, keep you poor, the
150 per day uk pays nett. the same effect, you can now get rid of this burden,
vote leave BB

We couldn't have a picture-story cartoon again please like at the last election ?.....like Milliband/Sturgeon..

Talked to a young chap yesterday asked him about Brexit and he said voting out and that 9 out of 10 of his friends voting out , decent lad about 24 ish . I was surprised as I thought the young were supposed to want in .

What planks done that again , Oh yes it's Freda .

Months or years?

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Something to cheer you up Haystack and will.



EU Referendum: Massive swing to Brexit – with just 13 days to go


Exclusive: polling carried out for ‘The Independent’ shows that 55 per cent of UK voters intend to vote for Britain to leave the EU in the 23 June referendum



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-poll-brexit-leave-campaign-10-point-lead-remain-boris-johnson-nigel-farage-david-a7075131.html

Well, today you may have seen what the market think about that decision.

you're such a clever chap, or at least your superciliousness implies that you think you are, that i'm truly amazed that you did not see market weakness coming before the referendum whatever the result was likely to be

seems you really are a klutz as most of us here had guessed anyway

Perhaps, I am already out of the market.

But it is not what I think of Brexit but the "big" boys think.

As you said you are an exiter, which to me in the present circumstances operating cynically out of self-interest.

Good luck, you may need it!

voting tactically may be
out of self interest? ..... much more questionable, but then you deride (and despise) any who do not fall into line with you

No the only ones with self interest are those who want to remain on
the EU gravy train.

As to what the market thinks..The big boys make money on ups and
downs in the market, ie shorts or longs, some like volatility in the markets.

It was in the paper this morning that the ONLY pollster who predicted the Tory
win in the GE has predicted that the LEAVE will win.

MxK
It does cheer me up but I wish the polls actually meant much.

I can't believe you sometimes Haystack , you put up endless polls showing this, that and the other , then say " I wish the polls actually meant much ."

H/T to gain across the road..




Revenge of the betrayed: Abandoned by the metropolitan political elite, their lives utterly changed by mass migration, Labour's northern heartlands could swing it for Brexit


By ROBERT HARDMAN FOR THE DAILY MAIL

PUBLISHED: 00:46, 11 June 2016 | UPDATED: 06:36, 11 June 2016



Wendy McDonald is worried that the referendum is stirring up what she calls ‘the r-word’.

As the daughter of a man who sailed to Britain on the Empire Windrush — the ship that brought the first postwar immigrants from the Caribbean in 1948 — any prospect of racial tensions appals her.

But you won’t hear Wendy blaming Nigel Farage or Boris Johnson or others in the Brexit campaign. In her opinion, the culprit is obvious: the European Union and the Remain brigade. ‘It’s the EU that breeds this resentment,’ she tells me. ‘I’m afraid it is creating racism. The sooner we’re out of it, the better.’

Having worked in social housing in the Greater Manchester area for 20 years, Wendy says she knows only too well how community cohesion is eroded when, for example, a family from Eastern Europe gets given a terrace house by the council ahead of a local lad who is left to ‘sleep outside Asda’ night after night.

‘That’s not a racist issue for me. It’s a simple question of how we are supposed to carry on letting in more and more people if we can’t house them all.’
It is a view shared by huge numbers of voters just like Wendy who live here in a part of Britain which many believe is fast driving this country towards the EU exit — the Labour heartlands of the North.

These are people who don’t just feel patronised. When it comes to their concerns about Europe, they feel disenfranchised. For there is no other part of the country where you find voters quite so divorced from the people elected to represent them on this key issue.

Yesterday, former Labour leader Ed Miliband gave a perfect illustration of the chasm between the parliamentary party and so many of its ordinary supporters. Speaking on Radio 4, he refused to acknowledge a link between immigration and public services, insisting: ‘I don’t believe it’s immigration causing the problems in the NHS. I believe it is Jeremy Hunt [the Health Secretary] and David Cameron.’
And let’s not forget that Jeremy Corbyn has been criticised for blocking any mention of immigration in Labour’s referendum leaflet.

Out in the real world, meanwhile, the other EU referendum debate continues. It is a debate among people who aren’t listening to the views of the CBI or international panjandrums such as Christine Lagarde of the IMF or the Governor of the Bank of England, and who didn’t watch the latest two-hour TV debate because they had better things to do, like trying to find a GP.

It is a debate among millions of working-class people who don’t care what political party leaders have to say because, in their view, Westminster long ago forfeited their trust

They see an ivory-towered elite telling them that the debate should be about the economy and not immigration — on pain of being labelled ‘racist’, as Labour frontbencher Pat Glass called an entire Derbyshire village the other day — when the voters themselves regard these key issues as one and the same thing.

And they certainly don’t see themselves as anti-immigrant.

That is hardly surprising. For here is a crucial point: many of them are from immigrant families themselves.

It’s enough to make a Hampstead liberal weep. But therein lies the problem.
After years of chattering among their own ilk around the scrubbed pine dinner tables of North London, the metropolitan grandees of the Labour Party have simply ignored the grumbles of their tiresome provincial supporters on one of the key issues of our age.

Only now are they are starting to realise their mistake. As former Labour Cabinet minister Andy Burnham put it this week: ‘We have definitely been far too much Hampstead and not enough Hull in recent times and we need to change that.’ But is it too late?


Two famously outspoken Labour MPs, Dennis Skinner and John Mann, clearly think so because, yesterday, both finally announced that they were declaring for Brexit.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3636164/Revenge-betrayed-Abandoned-metropolitan-political-elite-lives-utterly-changed-mass-migration-Labour-s-northern-heartlands-swing-Brexit.html#ixzz4BFXTRm00

And your'e a fake are you not Freda , all your'e worried about is the Markets , last week you were bleating about the odds for Remain and loving it .How fickle are you by the way , make light of anyone who differs from you . Such a disappointing man .

Vicky and Manuel,

The market movement is a just a reflection of possible expectancies.

But little Cynic is more interesting in disparaging anybody who holds different opinion.

A perfect little tory sycophant.

More tosh Freda , Oh wad the power , the gift he give us , to see ourselves as others see us , Robbie Burns , roughly .

Freda you have been a pain in the arse for years on this thread. It floats your left wing sinking boat. You ooze hypocrisy, remind us of your last stock purchase wasn't it a bank?