Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Why not ?

Withdrawal_from_the_European_Union

Well this is it....the EU needs a new deal fairer for all !.....everybody is fed up with paying over the odds for everything.....

When the EU have had the chance to offer some meaningful reform, even with the weak negotiations from the snake oil salesman 'Call me Dave' they snubbed the opportunity, believing, and rightly so that 'Dave' wanted to stay in...They will never reform, they'd rather see the whole project fail..

Sajid javid was a euro-sceptic before the 'false' reforms... Then he thought about his career before country(?) and turned tail.........

RF

Not all countries dislike the EU. The recent and poorer countries are net gainers from their deals.

The remain side claim that if the UK voted to leave
then the EU would put trade tariffs on trade deals,
but from Iceland all the way to Turkey no country
outside the eu have any tariffs put on the trade deals..

And another remain side falsehood, when they accuse
the LEAVE side of wanting to have a similar deal with
that of Norway but that Norway have to abide by 70% of EU rules...

That is also false as its only 9%....


If you watch BBC iplayer, the Daily Politics 2/3/16, and the
interview with Mathew Hancock..

Ipsos MORI have released the EU referendum figures from their monthly political monitor. Topline figures are

REMAIN 49%, LEAVE 41%, DK/WNV 10%.

Jeremy Hunt ( have i spelled his last name correctly) probably not , says leaving the EU will damage our NHS !
Of course it will Jeremy.

When the UK, leave the EU, I think it will be the start of the end of the EU.
next France. then it will descend into turmoil and collapse. 5 years all over !

Unfortunately, nearly all the polls indicate staying in.

8-)

Depends on who you ask.

Has anyone ever been asked/answered a poll such as this?

Yes and most of the polls indicated at the last GE that it was going to be a hung parliament...And it turned out that 'THEY'D ASKED THE WRONG VOTERS!!!...

Same has could be happening with the referendum...Are they asking the multi nationals or the Liberals, or do they keep phoning Downing st......LOL!

It is clearly going to be an in vote. I would prefer for us to leave, but it is so unlikely.

The polls weren't wrong because they asked the wrong people.

Who did they ask?

No they didn't ask enough tory voters...They've not asked enough Brexit voters..

Hays stop banging on about the polls ,look how wrong they got it at the election.
No one knows how this will swing .
Who did they ask ? because i'll tell you i have asked many people and my poll says out by quite a big margin ,however i could also be completely wrong .

Now others call for a referendum .

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/654175/French-voters-demand-Frexit-EU-referendum-Germany-UK-Brexit?ref=yfp

Interesting voting stats

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results

Based on above results, UKIP will need to take about 35% from all the party's with over one million voters.
This will take them above their opponent's combined total.

Now UKIP have big guns from UK guv cabinet, and people who want to Brexit will be driven by a determination, and therefore are more likley to turn out to vote.
Too close to call.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35921610

EU referendum: O'Donnell warns over two-year exit feasibility
By Ross Hawkins
Political correspondent, BBC News
44 minutes ago
From the section EU Referendum
Sir Gus O'Donnell

Lord O'Donnell served three prime ministers as cabinet secretary
Britain would be unable to negotiate its exit from the EU within the two years allowed by European Union rules, the former Cabinet Secretary Lord O'Donnell has said.
The prospect of demanding extra time from other EU nations to complete a leave deal was a "bit scary", he said.

Asked how long a negotiation would take, he cited a Cabinet Office paper which said it could be up to a decade.

But Out campaigners say the UK could negotiate its withdrawal at any time.

The UK will decide in a referendum on 23 June whether to remain a member of the European Union or to leave.
EU vote: All you need to know

Under the process set out in the Lisbon Treaty, a nation has two years to complete a deal once it formally declares that it will withdraw from the EU.
'Very difficult'
Extra time is possible only if all the remaining nations agree.
"Obviously at the end of two years anything we haven't negotiated has to be extended by unanimity of a vote excluding us so that's a bit scary," Lord O'Donnell - who advised three successive prime ministers as cabinet secretary between 2005 and 2011 - told BBC Radio Four's Today.
"I'm in that camp that doesn't think we can do it in two years," he said, adding that negotiating a deal to leave was a "very complex process".
He said: "We have to negotiate our entry to the single market, we have to negotiate our future relationship with the EU and then we have to negotiate our trade treaties with all other countries. So there's a lot to be done."
He told Today the Article 50 rules on the process were "not written in a neutral way" and warned it would be a "rather biased playing field".
It could also be "very difficult" to achieve positive results with Germany and France facing elections in 2017, he said.
"The politics works completely the wrong way for us", he added.
If the UK failed to get a deal within two years, the country would revert to World Trade Organization rules, which would include significant tariffs, he added.
'Smaller than Croydon'
Greenland's decision to withdraw from the European Community, the organisation that preceded the EU, in 1985 offered the only precedent he said.
"Greenland has a slightly smaller population than Croydon and it has one issue, and that's fish," he said.
"So with one issue, small population it took them not two years but three. We have multiple issues. The idea that we can do it all in two years I think is highly unlikely."
While Lord O'Donnell did not declare himself a supporter of the Remain campaign, his argument was very similar to the government's - whose position is to remain in the union.
The Vote Leave campaign, a cross-party group campaigning for EU exit, rejects the idea that negotiations would have to take place along the lines set out in the European Treaty. It says the UK could negotiate its withdrawal at any time without triggering the formal process.
Dominic RaabImage copyrightHoC
Image caption
Mr Raab says there is "no doubt" the UK would negotiate a new relationship with the EU
Lord O'Donnell's comments come as Out campaigners step up their warnings about what they say are the risks to UK security of remaining in the EU.
In a speech later, Justice Minister Dominic Raab will argue being in the EU makes it harder for the UK to stop serious criminals and those with suspected terror links entering the country.
Speaking to BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Mr Raab rejected Lord O'Donnell's argument.
He said the former civil service boss was not a diplomat or an international lawyer, adding: "I used to negotiate treaties and I can tell you that if we voted to leave we could do so and negotiate an exit agreement."
He said the UK was the fifth biggest economy in the world and a key export market for the EU: "Of course we'd strike a new deal, and relatively soon, with transitional arrangements if necessary."

So, O'Donnell's position is we should stay in or otherwise the French will refuse to sell us vino, the Germans will refuse to sell us cars, the Spanish will refuse to sell us fruit.


Is that really the argument?