Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

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If you are so capable why didn't you apply for Mandelson's or Kinnock's jobs?

Anybody betting with IG Index on BREXIT ? just checking. The bet goes from 0 to 100, so if you have say a £1 per point bet @ 10p and OUT win , will your profit be £90

There are two EU referendum polls in the Sunday papers – YouGov in the Sunday Times and Opinium in the Observer. Both of them have the race neck-and-neck: YouGov have REMAIN 49%, LEAVE 51%, Opinium have REMAIN 51%, LEAVE 49%.

In both cases the topline figures are pretty much unchanged from figures a week ago, remaining roughly neck-and-neck. There is certainly no echo of that ten point Leave lead ORB produced on Friday.

interesting

YouGov had Labour and the Conservatives tied at 34% before the 2015 GE. In fact the Conservatives won with 37.7%, against Labour's 31.2%. Opinium had it at 35% against 34% for Labour. So both were wrong. Just go out and vote and ignore the polls.

h/t to pete across the road..



End of EU rule FINALLY in sight: Leave camp take 19-POINT lead as Britons flock to Brexit

A NEW poll has given those wishing to leave the EU a remarkable 19-POINT lead over Remain.



By Marco Giannangeli, EXCLUSIVE

PUBLISHED: 13:16, Sun, Jun 12, 2016 | UPDATED: 14:25, Sun, Jun 12, 2016


The Opinium Poll, commissioned by the Brexit-backing Bruges Group think tank, is further evidence that the Leave camp is gaining support and delivers the biggest margin of victory for Brexit so far, after giving voters the option of a choice of free trade agreements with the EU.

It found 52 per cent chose to leave the EU, with only 33 per cent choosing to keep the status quo.

Despite there being less than two weeks before the crucial referendum, on June 23, a further 15 per cent said they still didn't know.

Of those who voted to leave the majority, 39 per cent, said that Britain should have some sort of Free Trade Agreement with the EU, similar to the one currently enjoyed between the US, Canada and Mexico.



More: http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/679104/End-EU-rule-FINALLY-Leave-camp-take-19-POINT-lead-Britons-flock-Brexit

Well he has to try everything.

Nice to know he threatens pensioners income and not that most worthy of causes, the foreign aid budget.
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Dear Dorothy,
My husband is a liar and a cheat. He has cheated on me from the beginning and when I confront him, he denies everything.
What's worse, everyone knows he cheats on me. It's so humiliating.
Also, since he lost his job 14 years ago, he hasn't even looked for a new one.
All he does all day is smoke cigars, cruise around and shoot bull with his buddies and has sex with hookers, while I work so hard to pay our bills.
Since our daughter went away to college and then got married; he doesn't even pretend to like me, and hints that I may be a lesbian.
What should I do?
Signed:
Confused
Dear Confused:
Grow up and dump him.
You don't need him anymore!
Good grief woman, you're running for President of the United States!

Summed up in a cartoon...nice one aldwickk!

I now believe many of the undecided are turning to brexit because of the unbelievable rubbish being spouted by the remain and for no other reason.

If Corbyn ever wants to be remembered for anything cos he will never make PM (be lucky to be leader this time next year) then 2 days before the vote he should say feck it I have still got principles and tell all his fans (both of them ?) to vote out.

Conservative donor withdraws support over David Cameron's 'irresponsible' EU campaign



By Kate McCann, Senior Political Correspondent
12 June 2016 • 10:00pm




One of David Cameron's biggest donors has withdrawn his financial support for the Conservatives and is considering quitting the party over the way the Prime Minister has handled the referendum, the Telegraph can reveal.

Edi Truell, a pensions expert who has donated over £270,000 since 2010, said he will only hand over money if Boris Johnson or Michael Gove take over from Mr Cameron after a Brexit vote.

It came as Priti Patel, a Government minister, accused Mr Cameron of "undermining" the Conservative manifesto by warning that the triple lock on pensions could be at risk if the UK votes to leave.

She said: "I simply think this is just an unrealistic statement, another intervention that is quite frankly there to terrify pensioners in a quite demeaning way."



Mr Truell warned that remaining in the EU would be more damaging to pension funds because of legislation planned by Brussels.

"The much greater risk is remaining within the EU, they've got explicit plans to destroy British pensions," he warned, adding: "All the final salary funds will go bankrupt and their companies will go bankrupt supporting them, that's about 8,000 pension funds in the private sector."



Full story: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/12/conservative-donor-withdraws-support-over-david-camerons-irrespo/

If we do vote out I put it down totally to Dave , thinking he could lie , bully , deceive and take the population to be basically thick and gullible . I knew this fiscal side would be bad for us , as I've said before wait till they stop ISA's and other forms of saving for the British .

Useful comparison.

It could result in the death of a pensioner worrying about a cut in their income.

Fred's cartoon is another reason for Brexit . Neo nazi and Islamic terrorist in the EU

nicked from across the road..



Won’t you join our Common Market?’ said the spider to the fly,
It really is a winner and the cost is not too high,
I know De Gaulle said “Non”, but he hadn’t got a clue,
We want you in, my friends and I, for we have plans for you.
You’ll have to pay a little more than we do, just for now,
As Herr Kohl said, and I agree, we need a new milch cow.
It’s just a continental term believe me, mon ami,
Like “Vive la France” or “Mad Anglais” or even “E.E.C.”
As to the rules, don’t worry friend, there’s really but a few,
You’ll find that we ignore them - but they all apply to you!
Give and share between us, that’s what it’s all about,
You do all the giving, and we all share it out.
It’s very British, is it not, to help a friend in need?
You’ve done it twice in two World Wars, a fact we must concede,
So climb aboard the Market Train, don’t sit there on the side,
Your continental cousins want to take you for a ride.

haystack dislikes cornfields in reply to my note on brexit what an informative reply BB