Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

nicked from across the road..



Won’t you join our Common Market?’ said the spider to the fly,
It really is a winner and the cost is not too high,
I know De Gaulle said “Non”, but he hadn’t got a clue,
We want you in, my friends and I, for we have plans for you.
You’ll have to pay a little more than we do, just for now,
As Herr Kohl said, and I agree, we need a new milch cow.
It’s just a continental term believe me, mon ami,
Like “Vive la France” or “Mad Anglais” or even “E.E.C.”
As to the rules, don’t worry friend, there’s really but a few,
You’ll find that we ignore them - but they all apply to you!
Give and share between us, that’s what it’s all about,
You do all the giving, and we all share it out.
It’s very British, is it not, to help a friend in need?
You’ve done it twice in two World Wars, a fact we must concede,
So climb aboard the Market Train, don’t sit there on the side,
Your continental cousins want to take you for a ride.

haystack dislikes cornfields in reply to my note on brexit what an informative reply BB

These remainers just can't see it can they .

They don't want to see it V.

Ft poll of polls now has Brexit on 46% and Remain 44%.
Good news for Brexit. But can they hold it against the Labour big guns coming out campaigning .?

Not over till MaxFear on both sides has been pushed beyond limit.

labour big guns like corbyn?
why do you think he's been totally side-lined?
his lack of leadership and fire in supporting "remain" - in which of course he does not believe - will assuredly have alienated many labour voters and tipped them into the "exit" camp

it is correct that immigration should NOT have become the focal point of the whole campaign, but it is very understandable why it has ..... this has effectively sidelined all the other major issues

unfortunately, no one actually knows what will happen to the uk economy and other attaching issues, but it is all too clear to everyone what open-door immigration is doing

Broon = Big Gun?


LOL !

Do they ever stop Bullsh@tting these people , or are they sworn to it when they get anointed as an MP. Do they know what reality is anymore .

One of the Kinnock clan, the son was asked on the BBC news whether the
fact that ALL of the Kinnock clan has worked for the EU and have received
huge salary's, nothing was said of their pensions of course, but he wouldn't
answer the main question saying it had no influence on his decision on
recommending to remaining....LOFL!!!....

black bird
I think I said I didn't like corn, which I don't. Corn fields I have no feelings about except they can be pretty.

I like Special K myself , with cold milk .I get corns on my little toe gives me a fair bit of gip i can tell you .( is gip a word )

gyp (I think)

Gyp it is then . I was being lazy .

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-gyp2.htm

Gyp is a moderately common expression, mainly in the UK, but also in Commonwealth countries, though my gut feeling is that it’s now mostly used by older people. It appears in fixed phrases that refer to some part of the body being painful, as in this example from the London Evening Standard in August 2003: “I turned my ankle in the game and it’s still giving me gyp.”

Wassup Hays man you diggin it . Listen dude I ain't no older people , loosen up man .

I am a signed up member of LEAVE and I received this yesterday. I am not sure if I will go though. I did go to a count years ago for a GE.

Dear ...

We are entering the final stage of the campaign where your help and support will be more important than ever. I will be in touch over the coming days about the plan up until 23rd June and how you can help on polling day itself, but first I need to tell you about the count.

The .......... Count will take place at ......... from 10pm on Thursday 23rd June and counting will take place through the night.

I have been asked by Vote Leave to nominate counting agents to assist me on the night. If you would like to attend, please let me know by sending me you name, full postal address and your mobile number. If you are an elected Councillor, you will still need to register as a counting agent.

You do not need to have attended a count before, but if you do have experience, that would be very useful.

When do I need to be there?
You will need to arrive at ......... at 10pm. It is important you are there as close to 10pm as possible, as verification of ballot papers from polling stations nearby will arrive very soon after 10pm. Please note there is no parking at ........

The night will be long and at times will feel like it is going slowly. I would hope that .......... will have declared by 3am, but that is purely a guess and it may go on longer than that.

What do I need to do at the count?
The count is formed of two stages. The first is verification, when the ballot papers in each box are tipped out and counted. This is to check that the number of ballot papers corresponds with the number of people in that polling station who have been marked as having voted.

We will also then know the turnout for ........., which I will feed in to HQ.

The second part of the count involves sorting the ballots into piles for leave and remain. This is pretty straightforward, but you will need to check the council staff are placing them into correct piles. They will be tired too and may make mistakes.

Any disputed ballot papers will be separated and decided by a senior counting officer at the Council, but we can give our input, based on the Electoral Commission's published guidance on doubtful ballot papers HERE.

The ballot papers are then sorted into bundles which are then counted.

Do I need experience?
If you do have experience at a count, please do volunteer for this one especially if you are a ....... councillor, but you don't need experience, I can send you some information to read through in advance.

What can't I do at the count?
Again, I can send through some guidance, but you will need to turn your phone off on the counting floor, you cannot touch the ballot papers, you can't distract the counting clerks, or argue with opponents and there is strictly no photography.


If you would like to help at the count, please email me your details before 10pm on Tuesday 14th June. You will not be able to attend the count if you have not given me your name by this time.

If you have any questions, let me know,

........

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/

5million foreigners granted citizenship in EU in six years



By Steven Swinford, Deputy Political Editor
13 June 2016 • 5:59pm




More than five million people have been granted citizenship in the EU over the past six years giving them the right to live and work in the UK, according to official figures.

Eurostat, the EU's official statistical agency, disclosed that the number of people given citizenship by EU nations has risen from 771,800 in 2009 to 889,100 in 2014.

One in five of those who has been granted citizenship in Europe over the past six years has been given a British passport, more than any other nation.




Nigel Farage claimed on ITV's referendum debate that EU passports are for sale 'to anybody' Credit: Press Association/Press Association


Vote Leave hailed the figures as evidence of "how little control we have over our borders" because EU citizens are free to come to the UK.

It said that the number of people who have been granted citizenship would be greater than the accession of Albania and Montenegro.

Matthew Elliott, chief executive of Vote Leave, said: "These figures show how little control we have over our borders while we stay in the EU.

"The number of people coming to the EU is increasing each year and it is becoming unsustainable.

"This level of migration puts a strain on our invaluable public services, as well as jobs and wages. The British people are absolutely right to be concerned."



More: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/13/5million-foreigners-granted-citizenship-in-eu-in-six-years/

ICM online AND phone polls show six point LEAVE leave

Two weeks ago ICM produced an unexpected result – they did parallel phone and online polls for the Guardian, and found a five point lead for LEAVE in both online and by phone. A five point lead for leave in an online poll was slightly unusual, but not completely out of line with the then average position of neck-and-neck. The five point lead in the telephone poll was remarkable, given most other phone polls (a) were showing a consistently different pattern to online polls and (b) were showing a robust lead for REMAIN. The poll got a lot of attention, but we reserved judgement a little – it was only one poll, and it was conducted over a bank holiday weekend so perhaps the sample could have been affected.

Today ICM have repeated that experiment and confirmed their earlier findings – their online and telephone polls are painting the same picture, and both have LEAVE with a clear lead. Topline figures by telephone are REMAIN 45%(+3), LEAVE 50%(+5), Don’t know 5% – equating to a six point leave lead of LEAVE 53%, REMAIN 47%. Topline figures online are REMAIN 44%(nc), LEAVE 49%(+2), Don’t know 7%(-2) – also equating to a six point lead for leave.

Latest Betfair odds :

Leave 2.62
Remain 1.61

Bookies odds are starting to tumble , anyone know anything about charts ?

Where's that nice hairdresser with a red car when you need him , I'm sure he could help me interpret this Betfair odds chart (hi Limpy) :-)

Odds on leaving chart from Betfair

2.5 support goes then it's bye bye EU imo