for more information about stanelco click on the links.

driver's research page link
http://www.moneyam.com/InvestorsRoom/posts.php?tid=7681#lastread
website link
http://www.stanelco.co.uk/index.htm

Do not forget too - the only official Stanelco web site is

http://www.stanelco.co.uk/ and any link on that site.

Any other web site you see may be set up by a paid ramper - whose only goal is to fool people into buying at overvalued prices. Some people have been tricked by other web sites thinking they are the real Stanelco site.

Apart from the Branson Ultrasonics website - it looks like Walmart already know of how good Ultrasonic sealing is - they use Soniteks

http://www.sonitek.com/clamshell.htm

No other sealing process is faster or as cost effective as Ultrasonics!

Ultrasonic sealing provides Tamper Proof Protection, and meets all the sealing requirements from all the major retailers (Walmart, Target, Home Depot, Lowe's, etc.) for sealing clamshells to eliminate losses due to shrinkage or shipping damage.

ROFLMAO !!!

Great to see insiderinside's altruism holds no bounds.

It was so kind of him to flood this (previously) civilised BB with downbeat analysis of SEO's future chances and alert everyone as to the folly of their ways by deciding to invest in SEO.

As someone said on ADVFN, insiderinside is so concerned for other people's welfare that he must spend each night walking the streets to make sure everyone's turned their lights off and unplugged their televisions LOL!

Any novice investors reading the stuff from insiderside wondering whether they should sell or not - consider these words of wisdom (I've seen characters like insiderinside operating before, and although they create very handy liquidity in the market they can cause smaller investors to lose a lot of money by encouraging them to sell low into a false "shorter's drop"):

1) Insiderinside is not posting to help you people out - he's posting to get you to lose money and help to line his own pockets because he has taken out a massive short on SEO.

2) You should be the only person who decides to buy or sell. Do your own research - don't simply rely on comments from anonymous BB characters because they spin a good yarn, none of these comments are necessarily true - the only way to find out is to DYOR.

3) There has been only good news from the horse's mouth i.e. Stanelco management - I know who I would rather believe....

The rampers as you say, are people who believe SEO is a good investment,and don't agree with your view. You've had your say ,now your becoming boring..

maybe di had the right idea.......
he is becoming boring. insider x 2, as i and others have said before, you have made your point. find something new to say .

overgrowth - I have no short - and by asking people to look at the company from all angles is not making them lose money - only a ramper can make people lose money by buying into an overpriced company - get your facts right. Rampers are dangerous and offer nothing by telling you to buy buy buy - while they sell sell sell.

I do not approve of ramping or shorting - and what people must remember - the two live hand in hand - as without ramping there can be no shorting - shorting is only done when the price is ramped up above the fundamentals - if there were no ramping there would be no shorting. Both of these functions are done by people with no morals - it is not something I would do.

Why cannot people help each other - or do you have no values in your life and would not assist others unless they paid you to ?

A final comment for today -

The Spin Doctors manipulating this could get William Hague elected as the next Prime Minister - they are that good.

in what way , shape or form ,are you helping?

If I am being accused of as being a ramper it's a first for me, I call a ramper the post I found on another site who said seo will see 10, and the post the other day on bprg who said bprg would see 100 before xmas.
If I am a ramper then I must be believing in my own stuff I have topped up 9 times the last time was on 11/04/2005 at 22.50p check the posts you will see it.
This is the last time I am going to react or reply to our beloved insider.

bos I hope you watched Dr Who I will be questioning you on it when I see you.

I wonder why Wal-Mart doesn't use Ultrasonic Welding Sonic Sealing for tray lidding (strange).

These are the products they use it for I have finished now.

Will this idiot ever Foxtrot Oscar!!!! Who the cluckin bell do you think you are telling folk that we say buy and are actually selling. I suggest you apologise. I can only speak for myself but I have put my money where my mouth is from a very low share price and added along the way, the latest being at 20p last Monday. I have personally taken great pleasure in seeing many family and friends share my optimism and make some additional money for themselves after investing in SEO. That is helping pal, not writing a lot of crap on this thread.

oh dear. sorry driver , i didnt watch it. why? what was so special about it?


and stop ramping , you.....you.....RAMPER!!!!!!!!

bos
Because I know you watched it the first time round behind the settee, so you should be watching this time it's brilliant.

Bye the way we were both in pcm a long time ago I made 300% I think you lost, you were saying on one of your post, pcm are perking up and might now be worth a punt.

Back in from a good curry - lamb jalfrezi. See that a twit called inside outside has been doing a number of self-indulgent quotes. Interesting psychology. Says he isn't shorting the share and is not paid to do it. Wouldn't trust him an inch as he fabricates even the ASDA quotations. Mind he is fervent: reminds me of the American creationists who are still arguing that God created the universe in seven days; i.e. ignores the plain evidence before his eyes. But in that case they fervently believe that you must believe like they do otherwise you will not be saved. Insideoutside may believe what he is saying, in which case he is a nutter who is not far removed from the madhouse. Or, like our creationists, he believes he is doing us all a service, in which case he is deluded and, again, nor far from the mad house. Same conclusion either way. So he is really a creature of pity, playing his games with the PC: probably noone loves him, probably he loves noone but himself. Does he emerge into the light of day and have any social contact whatever? But if we pity him, he may stay; better to ignore him, he may go away - to plague and pester someone else.

Eric

Brilliant Eric,, just what i was going to say,but id had one too many..JB..

Inside out.You are very persistant in re-presenting what would appear to me to be false information. Majority of people without something to loose themselves would have walked away a long time ago. I am beginning to think and hope you are short on SEO.

Just got back from the Sunday Times Wine Tasting in London - wonderful.

Can I suggest that as of now - no one acknowledges or responds to insideinside. He has had his say - and all he is doing is winding people up.

As of now - I suggest that we let him de ramp as much as he likes - but we should ignore his inane meanderings and concentrate on reporting news and facts as and when they come.

I for one was prepared to listen to him initially - as everyone has a right to an opinion on this board - but he has gone so much over the top that all he has done is to dicvrediut himeslf - so much so that even if he was telling the truth - his stories no longer have any credibility - with me at least.

So - lets just send him to coventry - it will drive him insane.

Baza
(ps sorry about the spelling - my fingers are drunk).

Baza

Baza - I agree, that your tactics will work.

In the meanwhile, I thought I'd share with you all an article I found a while ago which came originally from the US, though as ever when they sneeze we catch the cold....

Apologies for the long post, though I think it's handy to be forewarned of the tactics characters like insiderinside will employ (worth cutting and pasting for future reference) - in addition to annoying or worrying everyone on the moneyam SEO thread, he's been active today on more ADVFN threads than just the SEO one, desperately trying to get people to sell SEO to line his pockets.

"Is the "Bashing" of a stock an essential part of the online investment landscape?

Our Constitution guarantees us free speech and we have always valued the lessons gleaned from dissent. When does dissent cross over that imaginary line and become "Bashing"? To often we find well grounded dissent capriciously labeled as "Bashing" by over zealous investors bent on protecting a stocks reputation at any cost. The "Bashing" that is addressed on this site is quite different from dissent. The Anatomy of a Basher strives to look at the calculated erosion of confidence in a given stock. Erosion by means that are, in every sense, void of truth, hinged on deception and innuendo, and motivated by greed at the expense of others. This compendium is offered to aid in identifying the telltale signs of "Bashing", and hopefully provide a counter balance to this heretofore unchecked manipulation of investors fears for personal gain.

IS IT EASIER TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO SELLING THAN IT IS TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO BUYING A STOCK? I have asked some knowledgeable investors this question and the answer is always: "YES, OF COURSE YES!"
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WHO BASHERS PREY UPON
Consider the elderly that are investing for retirement, they find their way to the message boards for validation only to see false posts about "SEC Violations" and "Class action suits"... or the head of a "typical growing family", with children to put through college, who is monitoring a message board only to read posts by a "pack of 15 to 20 Bashers" (probably 5 or 6 under various alias's) posting continuous disinformation... what do you think these new investors will do? It's safer to not buy or even sell the stock, put the money back in the bank than to deal with all this whirl wind of "unsupported" negative chaff.

The Internet has lured a whole new class of investor into the market. A new investor is just that - New! This new investor, while learning the basics, is particularly vulnerable to the tactics of professional Bashers. New investors tend to lurk in the background of message boards, content to form independent opinions based on what they read with their own eyes. Very often, honest, intelligent and cautious people can easily be overcome by a well orchestrated propaganda effort.

You must always remember that their is a lot of money to be made in just the motion of a stock UP or DOWN it doesn't matter! And Bashers have money at risk just as you do. But they have the edge of fear, lies, and falsehoods to post while preying on the un-initiated. The average investor dose not have the edge of organized deception.

Recent revelations have indicated that even Market Makers (those charged with keeping the playing field level) have been involved in stock manipulation by Bashing on a stock message board. HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THIS IS A REAL THREAT!

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Lesson 1: Remember, BASHERS NEVER Bash A BAD STOCK. Check the boards for stocks with no potential. They never have any Bashers. Bashers only go after stocks that are moving up or have excellent potential to do so. Bashers work to bring the price down to either increase their position at the expense of others or help a Short make their bones.

Lesson 2: BASHERS ALWAYS BRING UP OLD NEWS THAT YOU HAVE HEARD MANY TIMES. New startup companies always have a few bits of bad news. The Basher will post this over and over again. Unsophisticated Bashers will try to freshen up old news with a new date or by-line in an attempt to fool you.

Lesson 3: BASHERS POST MANY TIMES A DAY. They try to wear you out. They comment on everything, every other post, and can answer every question. THEY KNOW IT ALL! There is no positive comment they won't Bash. They try to control the board. True longs may have to confront the Bashers or they will appear to the newbies as being the people with all the information. This is best accomplished by posting positive, well researched data on the company, repetitively, while trying hard not to engage the Bashers in direct repartee. REMEMBER - LONGS... RESIST USING THE BASHERS ALIAS!

Lesson 4: BASHERS WILL LIE TO YOUR FACE. Never trust a Basher. The truth on startup companies is that they make mistakes. What new company hasn't? The Basher will compare your issue to a another companies, financials - deals - management, etc., trying to lure you into making an Apples to Oranges comparison. Remember each company is unique and while it is prudent to seek out established indicators, do so with care and don't take someone else's word for it. Strive to come up with at least a "six-pack" of indicators so your vision of the state of a company is not tied to a single barometer. Not doing so is tantamount to going to a Race Track and betting on the "Pretty Brown Horsey".

BASHERS WANT TO WHISPER IN YOUR EAR - PLANT A SEED OF DOUBT, AND HOPE THAT YOU ARE NOT SAVVY ENOUGH TO RESEARCH THE TRUTH ON YOUR OWN. This is how they achieve their greatest success.

DOUBT + FEAR + LAZINESS = BAIL OUT!

This is your investment... work for it, protect it and don't panic on the words of very shadowy figure that "has your best interest in their heart". Consider that one factor: Someone you have never met, is not a member of your family, is now, out of the goodness of their hearts - GIVING YOU FREE ADVICE (that you didn't ask for). It's a no brainer. They have motives $$$$$$$$$$$$.

Lesson 5: Bashers know YOU CAN'T VERIFY THEIR STATEMENTS. That's why they make the vague statements they do. They rely on you being to lazy to research their droppings other than to scan the board for others opinions. This is particularly dangerous when you consider that Bashers work in packs and often validate and back up each others nonsense with what appears to be "innocuous and unsolicited" verification by comrade Bashers. Let's face it, we are all conditioned to "believe" everything we see in writing. If others by virtue of their "posts" also confirm this belief, then we are subconsciously doomed to swallow the hook, line and sinker... Basher - 1 Honest Investor - 0

Lesson 6: The Bashers PLAY ON YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. They can lie about information and you won't know the difference (unless you have done your own DD on the company and know the truth and facts).

Lesson 7: Bashers play on your lack of patience. You have held a stock for a while. You knew it will be a big stock someday, but the BASHER CAN GET TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE TIRED OF WAITING FOR YOUR GAIN. That's when the Basher is best. You are tired. You have forgotten the goal for the stock was to hold it for one year. The Basher is bothersome, so you dump it on a bad day. Some others also dump. Then you get mad for your loss and return to let everyone know how mad you are. Then you turn into a semi-Basher as well. THE BASHER HAS WON, AND GAINED A NEW ALLY - YOU!

Lesson 8: BRING THE PRICE DOWN. That is the Basher's job. The truth is not important. Lies are the norm. Post continuously on the board every day. They are trying to scare the newbies that are just investigating a stock. They are trying to wear down the faithful longs on the board and gain free reign and control.

A BASHER HANDBOOK:
Do not underestimate a Bashers influence on a stock. The Pro's are good at what they do and what they do is profit from your losses. Below is their "hand-book". Learn from it or you will be donating your hard earned money to them!
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Rules for Successful Bashing:

1. Be anonymous

2. Use 10% fact. 90% suggestion. The facts will lend credibility to your suggestions.

3. Let others help you learn about the stock. Build rapport and a
support base before initiating your Bashing routine.

4. Enter w/ humor and reply to all who reply to you.

5. Use multiple ISP's, handles and aliases.

6. Use two (2) or more aliases to simulate a discussion.

7. Do not start with an all out slam of the stock. Build softly.

8. Identify your foes (Longs) and the boards "guru" Use them to
your advantage. Lead them do not follow their lead.

9. Only Bash until the tide/momentum turns. Let doubt carry it the
rest of the way.

10. Give the appearance of being open minded.

11. Be bold in your statements. People follow strength.

12. Write headlines in caps with catchy statements.

13. Pour it on as your position gains momentum. Not your personality.

14. Don't worry about being labeled a "Basher". Newbies won't
know your history.

15. When identified put up a brief fight, then back off. Return in an hour unless your foe is a weak in reasoning powers.

16. Your goal is to limit the momentum of the run. Not to tank the
company or create a plunge in the stock; be subtle and consistent.

17. Kill the dreams of profits, not the company or the stock.

18. Use questions to create critical thinking. Statements to
reinforce facts.

19. DO NOT LIE, NAME CALL or USE PROFANITY.

20. Encourage people to call the company. 99% won't. They'll take your word for claims made. If they do call you can always find something that is inaccurate in how they report their findings.

21. Discourage people from believing Press Releases.
Encourage them to call the company. They won't out of laziness.

22. If the companies history/PR's are negative constantly point to that. Compile a list of this data prior to beginning your efforts.

23. If the price rises blame it on the hype or the PR, temporary
mass reaction, the market, etc. Anything but the stock itself.

24. If other posters share your concerns, play on that and share theirs too.

25. Always cite low volume, even when it's not.

26. Three or four aliases can dominate a board and wear down the longs.

27. Bait the Longs into personal debates putting their
focus/efforts on you and not the stock or facts. Divert their attention from facts.

28. Promote other stocks that would-be investors can turn to
instead of the one your Bashing.

30. Do not fall for challenges on the "values" of what you are doing, it's a game and you are playing it with your own rules.
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Grade 'A' Basher:
If you post lots of old news, respond to all positive posts with a negative side. Never respond to being called a Basher, never post on another board with same alias. Can spend up to 80 hours a week Bashing a stock.

Grade 'B' Basher:
Very good way with words, always claims to be your "friend" taking the positive poster into confidence, never posts on another board, spends about 60 hours a week.

Grade 'C' Basher:
Spends less time than the others but is somewhat effective and gets a C grade due to getting excited when Bashers rules say not to get excited, spends about 40 hours a week.

Grade 'D' Basher:
Needs to learn the basics about being convincing when making a negative statement. Spends a good amount of time working the stock, maybe 20 hours a week.

Grade 'F' Basher:
A complete idiot, most readers are not convinced he knows anything about stocks in general. The type that says a stock "sucks", but gives no rationale, shows up every so often but no regular schedule.

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LEARN ABOUT HOW BASHERS WORK: For instance: did you know that some Bashers are paid?

Golden Rule:

IGNORE THEM ...learn how professional Bashers are paid: When you REPLY to Bashers you give them an opportunity to earn appox. 5-7 dollars. The service agreement they enter into with their employer states their messages will be monitored for content, profanity, lies, etc. but Overseers and the like don't have the time to check all their Bashers messages. Only occasional spot checks are done. Those who manage the Basher will generally read the headlines to see if a Basher is replying to other posters by name. That tells them the Basher isn't just "posting blindly" or repeating the same message over and over since they won't pay for those.(True to form a Basher will put the bite on anyone, even their unscrupulous employer). A Basher will attempt to milk three to five replies per post at one to two dollars each. This way the Basher spreads negative influence to as many stockholders as possible. A Basher will create this discussion thread because it takes less time reading more messages than is necessary. This ultimately allows the Basher more time to post and make money. In general, NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER. Make them read all the posts and think up ways to enter the discussion. NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER; if you do so then YOU BECOME THE BASHER,S AID! If you feel compelled to challenge a Basher do so without mentioning his/her true alias in your response. This will make it hard for the Basher to use your post as a revenue stream. Read the news, do your own homework and make your own decisions. Get real time quotes and follow the stock for a couple of weeks. Due Diligence is key here. Know that there will be a time when the stock runs up which will be followed followed by the Bashers and those that missed the boat. The Bashers will trash the stock by saying such things as "it's a Pump and Dump" and "the company is lying" and deceiving. There goal is to scare off newbies and potential new investors by "shaking" you out of your shares. Take the time to confirm your DD ,trust your own judgement and believe in yourself, pick your point of return or loss and live with it. Don't listen to hype or Bashers trust your own judgement. Live by the rules you have created .

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HOW TO IDENTIFY A BASHER

1. Check the "Born on Date" Bashers create identities on a regular basis. Rarely do you find a Basher with older "Created On" date. So click on the Identity icon for more details.

2. Take the time to look at the Basher's history of Posts. Go to other boards and see if their is a pattern to the theme of the posts. Bashers rarely waste time trying to blend in with "positive" posts, unless they are cultivating a new uninformed assistant.

3. When did the Basher show up. Bashers rarely show up when activity is in at a Lull. They show up when activity up/down..

4. Bashers never answer direct questions except with another question.

5. Bashers do work in teams (sometimes themselves as a team). So be suspicious of someone showing up and automatically having a Shadow to converse with who supports their argument.

6. Bashers always select "an argument" that can never be resolved by research.
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The Basher 'Pack' Mentality

Bashers love to work in packs. It provides the quintessential cover to achieve supposedly "independent" validation of an argument. It is neither independent nor validating.

Pack Structure: Basher Packs can be comprised of any number of Bashers. They can be purposely formed within an organization or they can be "ad hoc" formed during a conclave on a particular board. In fact a pack mentality can be achieved by an ambitious "party of one" with a few select aliases.

Once a pack is formed, a leader emerges. This leader is usually acknowledged by other Bashers because of 1. Knowledge of the stock. or 2. Recognition by current board Longs (high visibility). Once established the Leader will usually work the Pack members up in to a posting frenzy. Constantly changing themes and even occasionally biting the ear of another pack member (this earns instant credibility), and it doesn't offend the bitten Basher because he/she knows it is all part of the effect. Quite sophisticated.

Packs will disband and slink away without notice. Usually this is the call of the Pack Leader who is adept at recognizing overplay. More often than not, Pack members must move on because they have other Bashing commitments to fulfill. They will return to the site of a good hunt over and over again, until hamstringing is achieved.

What calls a pack together. The Cry of the Leader. Certain Bashers love to work together. They know each others bite, how to feign in and out, it is a well choreographed Bash when pack members have worked together before. They constantly check their "Sites Du Jour" for signs of Pack activity. Occasionally they will throw out a "Nibbler" Bash to see if the pack responds or if not they can work the site themselves. It's all about effectiveness, time and earning money.

< BEWARE OF THE PACK >"

Overgrowth ... opposite applies to rampers.

Insider is acting alone as far as I can tell so who are "the pack" ?