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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

MaxK - 29 Mar 2016 20:52 - 298 of 12628

Depends on who you ask.

Has anyone ever been asked/answered a poll such as this?

grannyboy - 29 Mar 2016 21:54 - 299 of 12628

Yes and most of the polls indicated at the last GE that it was going to be a hung parliament...And it turned out that 'THEY'D ASKED THE WRONG VOTERS!!!...

Same has could be happening with the referendum...Are they asking the multi nationals or the Liberals, or do they keep phoning Downing st......LOL!

Haystack - 29 Mar 2016 22:40 - 300 of 12628

It is clearly going to be an in vote. I would prefer for us to leave, but it is so unlikely.

The polls weren't wrong because they asked the wrong people.

MaxK - 29 Mar 2016 22:43 - 301 of 12628

Who did they ask?

grannyboy - 30 Mar 2016 00:04 - 302 of 12628

No they didn't ask enough tory voters...They've not asked enough Brexit voters..

jimmy b - 30 Mar 2016 08:13 - 303 of 12628

Hays stop banging on about the polls ,look how wrong they got it at the election.
No one knows how this will swing .
Who did they ask ? because i'll tell you i have asked many people and my poll says out by quite a big margin ,however i could also be completely wrong .

jimmy b - 30 Mar 2016 08:24 - 304 of 12628

Now others call for a referendum .

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/654175/French-voters-demand-Frexit-EU-referendum-Germany-UK-Brexit?ref=yfp

patshere - 30 Mar 2016 10:22 - 305 of 12628

Interesting voting stats

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results

Based on above results, UKIP will need to take about 35% from all the party's with over one million voters.
This will take them above their opponent's combined total.

Now UKIP have big guns from UK guv cabinet, and people who want to Brexit will be driven by a determination, and therefore are more likley to turn out to vote.
Too close to call.

Fred1new - 30 Mar 2016 10:44 - 306 of 12628

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35921610

EU referendum: O'Donnell warns over two-year exit feasibility
By Ross Hawkins
Political correspondent, BBC News
44 minutes ago
From the section EU Referendum
Sir Gus O'Donnell

Lord O'Donnell served three prime ministers as cabinet secretary
Britain would be unable to negotiate its exit from the EU within the two years allowed by European Union rules, the former Cabinet Secretary Lord O'Donnell has said.
The prospect of demanding extra time from other EU nations to complete a leave deal was a "bit scary", he said.

Asked how long a negotiation would take, he cited a Cabinet Office paper which said it could be up to a decade.

But Out campaigners say the UK could negotiate its withdrawal at any time.

The UK will decide in a referendum on 23 June whether to remain a member of the European Union or to leave.
EU vote: All you need to know

Under the process set out in the Lisbon Treaty, a nation has two years to complete a deal once it formally declares that it will withdraw from the EU.
'Very difficult'
Extra time is possible only if all the remaining nations agree.
"Obviously at the end of two years anything we haven't negotiated has to be extended by unanimity of a vote excluding us so that's a bit scary," Lord O'Donnell - who advised three successive prime ministers as cabinet secretary between 2005 and 2011 - told BBC Radio Four's Today.
"I'm in that camp that doesn't think we can do it in two years," he said, adding that negotiating a deal to leave was a "very complex process".
He said: "We have to negotiate our entry to the single market, we have to negotiate our future relationship with the EU and then we have to negotiate our trade treaties with all other countries. So there's a lot to be done."
He told Today the Article 50 rules on the process were "not written in a neutral way" and warned it would be a "rather biased playing field".
It could also be "very difficult" to achieve positive results with Germany and France facing elections in 2017, he said.
"The politics works completely the wrong way for us", he added.
If the UK failed to get a deal within two years, the country would revert to World Trade Organization rules, which would include significant tariffs, he added.
'Smaller than Croydon'
Greenland's decision to withdraw from the European Community, the organisation that preceded the EU, in 1985 offered the only precedent he said.
"Greenland has a slightly smaller population than Croydon and it has one issue, and that's fish," he said.
"So with one issue, small population it took them not two years but three. We have multiple issues. The idea that we can do it all in two years I think is highly unlikely."
While Lord O'Donnell did not declare himself a supporter of the Remain campaign, his argument was very similar to the government's - whose position is to remain in the union.
The Vote Leave campaign, a cross-party group campaigning for EU exit, rejects the idea that negotiations would have to take place along the lines set out in the European Treaty. It says the UK could negotiate its withdrawal at any time without triggering the formal process.
Dominic RaabImage copyrightHoC
Image caption
Mr Raab says there is "no doubt" the UK would negotiate a new relationship with the EU
Lord O'Donnell's comments come as Out campaigners step up their warnings about what they say are the risks to UK security of remaining in the EU.
In a speech later, Justice Minister Dominic Raab will argue being in the EU makes it harder for the UK to stop serious criminals and those with suspected terror links entering the country.
Speaking to BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Mr Raab rejected Lord O'Donnell's argument.
He said the former civil service boss was not a diplomat or an international lawyer, adding: "I used to negotiate treaties and I can tell you that if we voted to leave we could do so and negotiate an exit agreement."
He said the UK was the fifth biggest economy in the world and a key export market for the EU: "Of course we'd strike a new deal, and relatively soon, with transitional arrangements if necessary."

MaxK - 30 Mar 2016 11:13 - 307 of 12628

So, O'Donnell's position is we should stay in or otherwise the French will refuse to sell us vino, the Germans will refuse to sell us cars, the Spanish will refuse to sell us fruit.


Is that really the argument?

grannyboy - 30 Mar 2016 11:38 - 308 of 12628

McDonnell's a maybe man, when he got the job he was on QT, and all he did with every question that he was asked was to apologise for the past actions he'd taken or the statements he had made...

He's a complete limp wristed idiot, with powder puff idea's..

cynic - 30 Mar 2016 11:57 - 309 of 12628

i shall be voting "out" but it won't make any difference

grannyboy - 30 Mar 2016 12:48 - 310 of 12628

Don't be so pessimistic (ever the) cynic..LOL..

You are one of the many...In the last GE no one believed that UKIP would get nearly 4 million votes, they were called the silent kippers, because when they were asked who they were voting for the majority stayed silent, for fear of being accused racist.

The same could be happening again..

Haystack - 30 Mar 2016 12:58 - 311 of 12628

UKIP got the number of votes predicted and the number of seats. Their problem is that they are diluted across all constituencies. They have very little concentration apart from pockets of racists in Essex and Kent.

2517GEORGE - 30 Mar 2016 13:00 - 312 of 12628

Bernard Connolly an Oxford educated economist speaking about the benefits of leaving the EU, especially for smaller, newer companies stated in Moneyweek mag that only 12% of our GDP is affected by the single market, and 88% of the economy that isn't. But 100% of the economy has to abide by EU regulations. So there would be a significant freeing of the major part of the economy.
2517

HARRYCAT - 30 Mar 2016 13:46 - 313 of 12628

I wonder how the 9000 workers at the Sunderland Nissan plant will vote and the 27000 workers in the associated supply jobs?

cynic - 30 Mar 2016 14:03 - 314 of 12628

that has little if any bearing on eu policies or anything else, though when it comes to voting, logic often flies out of the window

HARRYCAT - 30 Mar 2016 14:18 - 315 of 12628

The point I was trying to make is that many UK workers in the larger companies who are entitled to vote are probably going to vote in a way that ensures their continued employment, (i.e the way the company wishes them to vote) regardless of their own sentiment.

cynic - 30 Mar 2016 14:26 - 316 of 12628

and how do you think Tata stand on that?
it seems to me that the management of most companies do not wish to be seen pushing their employees in either direction

grannyboy - 30 Mar 2016 14:29 - 317 of 12628

"UKIP got the number of votes predicted and the number of seats. their problem is that they are diluted across all constituencies. they have very little concentration apart from pockets of racist in Essex and Kent" ..

For your information a lot of UKIP voters were EX tory...UKIP got more votes then the SNP..Liberal...Clywd Cumri put together...

The SNP won over 50 seats the LibDems 8.....Errrr something not right there!!!!..

As to your(Haystack) derogatory remarks of 'pockets of racist' in Essex and Kent...What do YOU base those facts on??.

Is it that there are some people who wish to defend their way of life, their culture, their jobs....COME ON, DO TELL...
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