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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Haystack - 02 Jul 2010 17:23 - 3026 of 6906

My typing has always been bad. I type too fast and make lots of typos. But none of the posts on here are exactly quality literary works.

ptholden - 02 Jul 2010 17:54 - 3027 of 6906

Hays', firstly, you miss the irony, secondly, many of your posts are excellent literary works in the fiction category, stop running yourself down!

Haystack - 02 Jul 2010 19:54 - 3028 of 6906

There was no irony and my posts are not in any way fiction.

Here is a new one.

A human rights report revealed that 70 Palestinian captives died under torture in Israeli occupation jails since 1967.

The report, which was written by a researcher in prisoners' affairs, added: "There are tens of captives who died after being released from Israeli jails of illnesses caused mainly by torture. Hundreds of ex-captives are still suffering various physical and psychological illnesses and permanent disabilities as a result of the torture they underwent during their captivity."

He said that the fact that the list of deaths contains only male captives does not mean that female and child captives are not tortured in Israeli occupation jails, pointing to the fact that all testimonies point to the fact that all Palestinians who get detained by the occupation are subjected to torture regardless of their age, sex or health condition.

He called on the United Nations and International human rights organisations to investigate the types of psychological and physical torture systematically and "lawfully" practiced by the Israeli occupation in interrogation centres and jails so that they could pressure the occupation to make torture illegal and to try all those who practiced it and all those who made lawful for them to practice it.

Clubman3509 - 02 Jul 2010 20:29 - 3029 of 6906

edited moneyam

ptholden - 02 Jul 2010 21:41 - 3030 of 6906

Hays'

How do YOU know they are not fiction? You continually post articles from the internet, taking them at face value, without doing any research yourself.
I suppose you read everything you believe whatever the media; but then you're never wrong, or at least do not admit to being so.

cynic - 02 Jul 2010 22:06 - 3031 of 6906

who is the raghead champion? .... he is like the "reliable source"

Haystack - 02 Jul 2010 22:45 - 3032 of 6906

ptholden
I do my own research from a variety of sources. I only post stories that are reported in different places. I use Palestinian sources, which are biased, Jewish sources also biased, the BBC, CNN, Al Jazeera (surprisingly fair minded) and lots of others.

This is interesting West Bank poverty 'worse than Gaza'

The Jerusalem Post, which is a centerist Israeli paper and web site. It is often very critical of Israel and they post stories that they may or may agree with. It is very good for straight news.

Flotilla passengers were tortured

MightyMicro - 02 Jul 2010 23:09 - 3033 of 6906

Jonathan: I note that Kayak is online as I type this, but, in case he is failing to pay attention, you may be assured that I am keeping an eye on your punctuation supervision. Please carry on.

Fred1new - 03 Jul 2010 10:27 - 3034 of 6906

Edited,

Wrong thread!

cynic - 03 Jul 2010 11:48 - 3035 of 6906

you aren't paranoid; you are deservedly persecuted

Fred1new - 03 Jul 2010 12:00 - 3036 of 6906

Cynic,

Your wit is improving.

Hays,

You will have to do without me for a month, or so, don't wear your little fingers out or let the opposition get you down.

Your view point about the Middle East is becoming more acceptable by the general public.

What the effects of that will be, is guesswork.

cynic - 03 Jul 2010 12:04 - 3037 of 6906

it's the pastis sharpener before lunch that does it

Haystack - 04 Jul 2010 18:44 - 3038 of 6906

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3914398,00.html
Ynetnews is the English-language sister-site to Ynet, Israel's largest and most popular news and content website.

Hamas: Ships do more than rockets

Terror groups increasingly shifting to non-violent means in bid to isolate Israel, report says

The two terror groups responsible for most Israeli casualties in recent years, Hamas and Hezbollah, are increasingly towing the line with Fatah's non-violent approach given the success of such tactics, the Wall Street Journal says.

According to the report, Hamas believes that the recent flotilla incident caused more damage to Israel than military operations, a conclusion that may signal a shift in the group's conduct.

"When we use violence, we help Israel win international support," senior Hamas man Aziz Dweik was quoted as saying. "The Gaza flotilla has done more for Gaza than 10,000 rockets."

Referring to the flotilla raid that left nine people dead, the Wall Street Journal wrote: "The incident triggered international condemnation and plunged Israel into one of its worst diplomatic crises in years."

Another enthused supporter of "civil disobedience" tactics is apparently none other than Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, who urged his followers to take part in future sails to the Strip.

Hezbollah member Ghaleb Abu Zeinab said this marked the first time Nasrallah had so clearly embraced such tactics against Israel.

"We saw that this kind of resistance has driven the Israelis into a big plight," he was quoted as saying.

Israeli officials have also taken note of the change and are concerned by it.

"People who are provoking violence are using peaceful protest as a cover," government spokesman Mark Regev was quoted as saying. He added that terror groups are still committed to Israel's destructions, but believe they can achieve more by prompting global isolation of Israel via non-violent means.

Hamas lawmaker Salah Bardawil summed up the group's thinking: "Hamas used to believe (international support) was just empty wordstoday it is very interested in international delegationsand in bringing Israeli officials to justice through legal proceedings."

cynic - 04 Jul 2010 19:05 - 3039 of 6906

i wonder how much profit hamas makes from the smuggling tunnels?....... might explain why they do not really want humanitarian aid to come through, using isarel's handling of same as pretext

Haystack - 04 Jul 2010 19:46 - 3040 of 6906

Hamas do want humanitarian aid. The trouble is that Israel lets so little through. The smuggling through the tunnels is how some of the food and general supplies (and arms I would guess) reach Gaza. I hope that they do make some money out of smuggling as it will help fund the Hamas party. It is interesting that Israel feels quite happy to bomb the tunnels that run from Gaza across the border to Egypt when this is not even a border with Israel.

Haystack - 04 Jul 2010 21:17 - 3041 of 6906

As for Hamas not wanting humanitarian aid: -

Today

Relief aid and medicines from the Aman Palestine Institute in Malaysia with an estimated worth of $100,000US arrived in Gaza on Sunday morning via the Egyptian Rafah crossing.

tyketto - 04 Jul 2010 22:26 - 3042 of 6906

towing the line
Is that americanese?

Haystack - 04 Jul 2010 23:07 - 3043 of 6906

It was from an Israeli web site. I corrected a few spelling mistakes, but probably missed some.

cynic - 05 Jul 2010 10:04 - 3044 of 6906

did i miss something or did i not see any rebuttal about hamas creaming in the dosh from the smuggling tunnels?

Haystack - 05 Jul 2010 10:07 - 3045 of 6906

I wouldn't know if they make money out of smuggling or not. I hope they would make a bit tio fund their party. I doubt that they do make any money as it is not them directly who do the smuggling but it is possible.
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