Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

I have the picture of Hays being chased by a pack of foxes and shouting "I am enjoying this".








Interesting week to come.

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Foxes being chased until caught is pretty much an analogy of the animal kingdom. People do not rise up in complaint when hyenas chase a wilderbeast and tear it apart or a pack of lions chasing an animal until exhausted. Dogs chasing foxes is the same except the foxes are pests and regarded as vermin by farmers.

The wealthy hobby argument is nonsense. Many 'hunts' are just organised by farmers with local people. There are a few famous wealthy hunts as well. I see it mainly about townies being opposed to things they know nothing about and the chance for a bit of class warfare.

I am indifferent to the cruel aspects of hunts. Certainly hunting pheasants, rabbits, hares, deer are not cruel as death is instantaneous. In which case what is the argument against it?

foxes are unquestionable a pest, even in towns, so how do you guys propose they should be controlled? ...... i'm not necessarily promoting foxhunting with dogs, but assuredly don't support the anti-ranters either

Foxes are a pest in the country. You could say that shooting is better. The problem is that no one is going to take the trouble to go out and do the shooting. Traps are more cruel even that hunting. Poison is not possible due to killing other wildlife and the same goes for traps and snares. Hunting is the only realistic method. That is why some forms of fox hunting is still allowed even with dogs as long as the fox is shot at the end. Of course the man with the gun is often a bit slow in catching up and the dogs get a bit enthusiastic. That's the grey area where hunting still continues almost unchanged by the law.

hunting with dogs has long been the traditional method of control, but that doesn't mean it is necessarily the best or most effective ..... i suppose shooting works, just as it does for rabbits and pigeons and the like, though is winging a fox and letting it die a slow and lingering death any more humane than hunting with dogs - except it isn't witnessed by joe public ..... how do you control urban foxes which are probably an even greater pest?

You could say rabbit's are a pest for farmers, and foxes kill rabbit's for food . Foxes in the city eat the fast food left behind by clubber's, ect. so the rat's can't eat it. maybe they kill rat's i don't know.

Animals in general hunt other animals for food.

The individuals who hunt foxes do so for simple sadistic, gleeful pleasure from torturing and killing another animal.

They have found something that they feel superior to.

Fox hunting does little to reduce the number of marauding foxes but does satisfy the whims and basic needs of hunts.

If you don't want foxes in town, store your food appropriately and also dispose of waste food and materially appropriately.

Also, trapping can be used and the vermin can be disposed of humanely.

That applies to nappies, but I would have thought Hays should be out of them by now.

Foxes make no impact on rats. There is plenty of waste food for both to eat. Where I lived previously in London, I saw a rat run across the front garden. I bought a couple of rat traps. They are similar to mouse traps but bigger, more powerful and heavier. I set the traps with peanut butter, which is favourite for mice and rats. Over 5 days, I caught 13 large rats, all trapped with the spring bar on their necks. The problem was not going to stop like that so I called the council. A guy came and found a wide crack leading down to the sewer. He put very strong poison down the hole with a syringe in large quantities. The problem stopped. All this was happening with a large population of foxes in the area. In fact we had a family of them living at the bottom of the next house's wild garden. Foxes are a pest no matter where they are. A similar pest seems to be badgers.

The individuals who hunt foxes do so for simple sadistic, gleeful pleasure from torturing and killing another animal ....They have found something that they feel superior to .... Fox hunting does little to reduce the number of marauding foxes but does satisfy the whims and basic needs of hunts.
you have empiric evidence to support that statement i take it, or is it just your jaundiced classist view again?

trapping implies bait and/or poison, and again its effectivenesss is not supported by evidence - unless you have some that no one else knows about

That applies to nappies, but I would have thought Hays should be out of them by now.
and that is just a pathetic and childish comment! .... even the daily mail can do better

hays - what evidence do you have that badgers are a pest? ..... that they should be culled rather than a bovine vaccine developed and administered to prevent the spread of bovine tb seems to be pretty debatable

FFS, trust Haystack to start a bloody war!

The point I was making (post 30525) ..... I am certain that IF (massive if at moment) the Conservatives were to win with a clear majority, repealing the hunting ban would not be an immediate priority. Agreed? Next!

It is a scientific decision. I am convinced by the evidence that I have seen to think that testing culling in a controlled environment is worthwhile. Badgers are very attractive and this is always an important factor in their support. Baby seals etc evoke that same ooos and aaas but need culling also. If people were presented with an ugly animal that needed culling such as malaria fleas then there would be less fuss. We don,'t mind eating cows, but dogs are a step too far. It is a cultural thing. It may be that badgers would appear to be ugly to some population and they would be pleased to cull them.

I am sure repealing the hunting act would not be a priority, but hopefully they would get around to it at least in their second term. There are are far more pressing problems such as more austerity.

The tories should like rats.

Think how many there are in the con party.

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You are talking rubbish.

Poisoning can be relative humane compare with dogs chasing down and tearing a fox apart.

Unless of course that is your Sunday morning enjoyment.

DYOH homework and look at the efficacy of various methods killing vermin.

As I said correct methods of Food and Waste disposable would reduce the amount of vermin.

Not feeding or feeding gardent birds appropriately would reduce rats and mice for starters.

Whatever. My immediate concern on a friday night is whether Citeh will stuff Everton tomorrow and how I'm going to play the new winter course down the Links. Or whether to just go the pub (don't have BT Sport) to watch the match and sack the golf :O)

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/04/syrian-refugees-demand-entry-uk-from-calais_n_4044465.html

poisoning foxes would also poison a multitude of other wildlife + dogs and cats and goodness what else .... any more sensible suggestions to come from you?

I saw that story. It just shows what a reputation the UK has as a soft touch.

More votes for UKIP

Cynic,

In passing.

"classist" remark.

I thought many members involved with this form of barbaric sport from even the lowest stratosphere of country society.

Are you suffering from introjection due to exposure.

I was being descriptive of its supporters and many would agree with me.

I hope!