Fred1new
- 06 Jan 2009 19:21
Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?
If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?
Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?
What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?
Gausie
- 08 Jul 2010 13:26
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and you simply cut and paste whatever wacko information you find on the web without a moment's consideration for its veracity. And you believe it all and call it research.
Haystack
- 08 Jul 2010 13:58
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Whether it is 'whacko' is a matter of opinion. I check most of the information from multiple sources. Some of it is directly from Palestinian sources. With a bit of time and research you can find the same story reported by the BBC and other sources and written by different people with much of it coming from people who were there at the time. You can call it 'whacko' if you like. I can see that the content doesn't appeal to you.
The real facts are that Israel is behaving in a terrible way almost every day. This is the opinion of all objective observers. The UN and the Red Cross have people on the ground in Gaza, the West Bank, Jerusalem and Israel. They see what goes not there. There are EU delegates who visit the area and see for themselves. There are members of aid agencies across the world.
There are even Israeli soldiers who say they have been made to commit atrocities. The evidence is overwhelming. Jewish politicians in the UK have likened Israel to Nazis because of their behavior. I think you are just in denial.
Gausie
- 08 Jul 2010 14:01
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See what I mean?
Haystack
- 08 Jul 2010 14:10
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The above is all true and can easily be proved from dozens of sources. Do you want me to post the testimony of the Israeli soldiers?
Which objective observers support Israel and their behaviour? I can't think of any. Apart from the weak support from the US and UK governments there is virtually no support from any other countries. Israel is becoming more isolated and it is the way they behave that is the cause.
cynic
- 08 Jul 2010 14:21
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israel seemingly commits atrocities or something in similar inflammatory language whereas hamas and hezbollah are merely striving for peace and peaceful coexistence, all being done in a sensible and altruistic manner for the good of the philistines in gaza
propaganda is always thus packaged
mnamreh
- 08 Jul 2010 14:34
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mnamreh
- 08 Jul 2010 14:36
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cynic
- 08 Jul 2010 14:38
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in that case, neither side should be considered successful ..... and as you well know, i consider the "powers" on both sides to be equally despicable
mnamreh
- 08 Jul 2010 14:46
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Haystack
- 08 Jul 2010 14:54
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Hamas is not striving for peaceful coexistence and not always striving in a peaceful manner. They want their country and land back. Hamas have temporarily stopped aggressive tactics and are pursuing political means as they are presently convinced that isolating Israel is a preferred option. I say temporarily as I expect more militant action to resume at some stage. I have been following the Palestinian cause since the war in 1967. The success of Israel in that war and the annexation of large parts of Arab land has done more harm to Israel and good to the Palestinians than almost anything. It focused the world's attention on the Palestinians and they could easily raise money almost anywhere in the world. Yasser Arafat was declared the leader of the Palestinians by Egypt and the struggle took on a more political dimension. Hamas are the inheritors of the struggle.
cynic
- 08 Jul 2010 15:11
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no more "theirs" than "theirs" ..... philistines and their ilk were as nomadic as the 12 tribes
Haystack
- 08 Jul 2010 16:20
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Between 700 and 800 thousand Arabs were refugees from the area in the 1948 war and another 300 thousand were refugees in the 1967 war. The current total of refugees and their descendants is exceeds 4 million.
IF Palestinians were not a people and did not have homes, where did the more than a million refugees come from. This nomadic Palestinian nonsense is just one more Israeli myth and lie.
The Palestinian right of return was specifiied in UN resolution 194 which resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.
UN General Assembly Resolution 3236, passed on 22 November 1974 declared the right of return to be an "inalienable right".
In June 1948, the Israeli government stated its position, which was reiterated in a letter to the United Nations on 2 August 1949, that in its view a solution to the Palestinian refugee problem must be sought, not through the return of the refugees to Israel, but through the resettlement of the Palestinian Arab refugee population in other states.
In 1948 the Israeli levelled Palestinian villages to prevet the return of refugees.
They passed the Absentee Property Law allowing the state to confiscate land belonging to people not present in Israel and gave the land to illegal settlers.
cynic
- 08 Jul 2010 16:41
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funny anomaly .... while the pen is mightier than the sword, the weight of words is one of the best cures for insomnia
mnamreh
- 08 Jul 2010 16:42
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Gausie
- 08 Jul 2010 16:43
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"they passed the (blah blah) law (blah blah) and gave the land to illegal settlers."
If they passed a law, how can the settlers be illegal? Or are you confusing fact and opinion again?
mnamreh
- 08 Jul 2010 16:45
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Haystack
- 08 Jul 2010 16:51
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Any law passed by Israel is illegal.The settlements are illegal by International Law as the land belongs to the Palestinians.
Haystack
- 08 Jul 2010 16:54
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The consensus view of the international community is that the building of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, is illegal under international law, although Israel disputes this. This view is largely based on UN Security council resolutions, including resolutions 446, 452, 465, 471 and 476 which find the settlements to be illegal under the Fourth Geneva Convention. The legal arm of the UN, the International Court of Justice, has found the settlements to be illegal under international law
In November 2006 Peace Now acquired a report (which it claims was leaked from the Israeli Government's Civil Administration) that indicates that as much as 40 percent of the settlement land that Israel plans to retain in the West Bank is privately owned by Palestinians. Peace Now further claims that this is a violation of Israeli law.
The Spiegel report, commissioned by the Israeli Defense Ministry, also details a large amount of land theft by Israeli settlements in the West Bank. The report reveals that some settlements deemed legal by Israel are in part, and sometimes in large part, effectively illegal outposts, and that large portions of veteran Israeli settlements, including Ofra, Elon Moreh and Beit El were built on private Palestinian land.
The recent use of the Absentee Property Law to "transfer, sell or lease any real estate property" in East Jerusalem owned by Palestinians who live elsewhere (usually in the West Bank) without compensation has been criticized both inside and outside of Israel.
cynic
- 08 Jul 2010 17:13
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for goodnes sake, did you not learn how to precis in your primary school?
clearly not, which is a shame, as your posts then might be worth reading
and instead of just accepting "your" party line at face value, just occasionally at least, you might care to question it .... that's the good thing about freedom of expression which is noticeably absent in the likes of saudi, iran, uae etc - i'm sure that equally applies in jordan, syria etc
as Gausie or someone has already said, all you do is cut and paste the latest diahhrea ..... it would even be good manners to quote the attribution as one does in a book or serious essay
cynic
- 08 Jul 2010 17:19
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i could have cut and pasted the whole article (!!!!), but this headliune will suffice ....
Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, escalated pressure on the Palestinian leadership on Thursday with a call for the immediate launch of face-to-face peace talks.
now of course hayseed and his merry men of blinkered vision, will rant that it is just a ploy ..... it may well be, but at least it appears to be in the right direction